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Joe Rogan Experience #1227 – Mike Tyson

Joe Rogan: (00:02)
Three, two, one. Boom, and we’re live.

Mike Tyson: (00:07)
What’s happening, Joe?

Joe Rogan: (00:08)
What’s up, Mike? Tom Segura’s is in the house for a few minutes, too [crosstalk 00:00:10]. Stopped by to say hi. I can’t believe you never had a cup of coffee.

Mike Tyson: (00:14)
Never.

Joe Rogan: (00:15)
You want some?

Mike Tyson: (00:16)
No.

Tom Segura: (00:18)
That might be the most outrageous thing about you is that you’ve never had coffee.

Joe Rogan: (00:22)
Your whole life you’ve never had coffee?

Mike Tyson: (00:23)
Never had coffee, no. Just tea, never coffee.

Joe Rogan: (00:27)
No one ever offered you a cup of coffee?

Mike Tyson: (00:28)
No.

Joe Rogan: (00:29)
You never went to Starbucks?

Mike Tyson: (00:30)
For tea and some donuts.

Joe Rogan: (00:32)
Wow.

Tom Segura: (00:33)
What about at-

Mike Tyson: (00:34)
When I was in rehab, you always had to go to Starbucks because the meeting’s right outside of Starbucks. You’re always hanging out at Starbucks.

Joe Rogan: (00:41)
Right.

Mike Tyson: (00:43)
But, never for coffee.

Joe Rogan: (00:44)
You didn’t want to try it?

Mike Tyson: (00:45)
Never.

Joe Rogan: (00:46)
Hmm.

Tom Segura: (00:48)
How about girlfriends, wives? None of them ever drank coffee at home?

Mike Tyson: (00:52)
I’m sure they have but I never really … My wife drinks it.

Joe Rogan: (00:54)
And, you just nothing?

Mike Tyson: (00:56)
Never.

Joe Rogan: (00:56)
Nothing.

Tom Segura: (00:58)
I’m so addicted to coffee.

Mike Tyson: (00:58)
With all the stuff I did and all the drugs I did, you’d think coffee would be nothing.

Joe Rogan: (01:04)
That’s what I’m saying. That’s what I’m saying. It doesn’t make any sense. When did you first try any drugs?

Mike Tyson: (01:11)
Kid. 10 years old, nine years old.

Joe Rogan: (01:14)
When you were a kid? What kind of shit?

Mike Tyson: (01:14)
Smoking and drinking. Then, as I got older, I tried acid.

Joe Rogan: (01:20)
How old were you when you first tried acid?

Mike Tyson: (01:21)
Probably 11.

Joe Rogan: (01:22)
Wow.

Mike Tyson: (01:23)
Yeah, real young.

Tom Segura: (01:24)
Jesus, man.

Joe Rogan: (01:25)
Wow, that’s real young. Wow. But, when you were the champ, when you were in your prime, when you beat Trevor Berbick, were you doing anything back then?

Mike Tyson: (01:36)
Just drinking a lot.

Joe Rogan: (01:37)
Drinking a lot? Really?

Mike Tyson: (01:38)
Yeah.

Joe Rogan: (01:38)
That’s amazing.

Tom Segura: (01:39)
Would you go clean for camp?

Mike Tyson: (01:41)
Yes, for camp.

Tom Segura: (01:42)
Just for camp?

Mike Tyson: (01:43)
Yeah, for camp.

Tom Segura: (01:44)
But, once the fight’s over and-

Mike Tyson: (01:46)
Yeah, I’m an animal.

Joe Rogan: (01:49)
You were the first guy that I ever used as an example of to break that old myth that you can’t have sex before fights, and I was like, “Well, that’s out the window.”

Tom Segura: (01:58)
For sure.

Joe Rogan: (02:00)
Because, you would talk about it all the time. You’d be like, “Yeah.”

Mike Tyson: (02:02)
Yeah, pretty much.

Joe Rogan: (02:06)
Your logic made sense, too. You’re like, “I don’t want to think about it. I don’t want to be thinking about sex so I’ll just get it out of the way.”

Mike Tyson: (02:11)
Yeah, and it’s over with. You don’t have to do it. You’ve refueled for the next six weeks and just go on with your fight.

Joe Rogan: (02:18)
Do you think that was a myth that it made you weak?

Mike Tyson: (02:21)
Yeah, I think it’s myth.

Joe Rogan: (02:22)
Yeah, it doesn’t seem to make sense.

Tom Segura: (02:24)
It seems odd, yeah. And, then whenever there’s the Olympics-

Mike Tyson: (02:27)
That would inspire you more so than disintegrate you, I would think.

Tom Segura: (02:31)
They said that the Olympic … You know, where the athletes stay … is just like fuck fest.

Joe Rogan: (02:37)
Oh, of course.

Mike Tyson: (02:37)
I would think so, yeah. They have the boys and the girls in the same vicinity. Yeah, it would be really [crosstalk 00:02:42]-

Joe Rogan: (02:42)
Also, you probably want to alleviate anxiety.

Tom Segura: (02:44)
Anxiety.

Joe Rogan: (02:46)
You’re probably freaking out. You’re at the Olympics. You’re 18 years old, you’re like …

Tom Segura: (02:49)
And, everyone’s in amazing shape, the best physiques [crosstalk 00:02:52]-

Mike Tyson: (02:51)
Stressed out, stressed out.

Joe Rogan: (02:54)
When you were first coming up, when you were Kid Dynamite on Sports Illustrated, I’ll never forget that, man. Your era from the 80’s, the late 80’s, that era, it was a big part of my youth. You being-

Mike Tyson: (03:15)
Yeah?

Joe Rogan: (03:15)
Yeah, man. You being the champ, it was a change of things because when Larry Holmes was the champ as a boxing fan, I loved Larry Holmes. There’s that cover. You were 19 years old, right?

Mike Tyson: (03:27)
Yeah.

Tom Segura: (03:28)
That’s nuts.

Joe Rogan: (03:28)
When Larry Holmes was the champ, as a boxing fan-

Mike Tyson: (03:31)
Wow, you still got that stuff, man?

Joe Rogan: (03:33)
You can still get those.

Mike Tyson: (03:34)
Yeah?

Joe Rogan: (03:35)
Sports Illustrated. It’s the internet. You can find it on the internet. That’s how Jamie got it. I had that Sports Illustrated. But, when Larry Holmes was a champ, as a boxing fan, I appreciated him. I knew he was a great fighter. We’d get together with friends and watch the Michael Spinks fight with Larry Holmes, when Spinks beat him for the title. It was a big deal, but it wasn’t a big deal culturally. People didn’t care as much, but then you came around and when you came around, all of a sudden everybody’s watching heavyweight boxing. Heavyweight boxing wasn’t boring again. It was the most crazy, exciting thing in sports.

Joe Rogan: (04:15)
When your fights would go on, it would be about “Should I pay for this because how long is this going to last?” That had never-

Mike Tyson: (04:22)
Yeah, that’s pretty weird. People tell me about that all the time. They all chipped in and then they’d turn the fight on and it’s over with. I never think about it like that. Sometimes, when it comes to my realization of the situation, I forget that I’m that guy, that I trained that hard and I became a fighter.

Joe Rogan: (04:37)
Yeah, that’s what I was going to ask you. Does it seem like a dream?

Mike Tyson: (04:42)
Yeah, pretty much. Like a blur.

Joe Rogan: (04:46)
Because, I couldn’t imagine what it would be like to be 19 years old, 20 years old, to be that fucking famous.

Mike Tyson: (04:53)
It was a trip.

Joe Rogan: (04:54)
Who can handle that? Can anybody handle that?

Mike Tyson: (04:57)
It was a trip. No, it was a trip but it was just what Cus D’Amato, that was his blueprints to make me this teenage superstar.

Joe Rogan: (05:04)
Right. Did he give you advice on how to handle pressure and fame?

Mike Tyson: (05:08)
Oh, the pressure and everything, but he said there’s really no ingredients on how to handle fame. You know what I mean? We have to see what department of fame is your problem and we have to work on that issue from there, but no one knows how they’re going to conduct themselves under that kind of pressure.

Joe Rogan: (05:28)
No, I couldn’t imagine.

Tom Segura: (05:30)
It’s the level of fame, too. It’s like you realize there’s so many levels of fame, and then Mike’s is still just extraordinary where people walk away from their job in an airport. They’re supposed to be at the cash register and they run out. They leave their job to go say hi. Most of the time, you’d be like, “Oh, that’s who that person is.” It’s a totally different thing.

Joe Rogan: (05:58)
How weird is that?

Mike Tyson: (05:59)
That’s pretty weird. It took time for me to get used to that stuff. I used to be one of those like, “Get the fuck away from me, man. What are you doing, you creep?” Because, I never knew how to conduct myself when somebody, “Mike, come here. Take a picture with my kid. Take a picture here. Take a picture here. I love you.” This and that. I’m like, “Whoa, dude. Cool out.” But now, I understand this is just what it is. It is what it is and you’re not going to be able to stop it.

Joe Rogan: (06:22)
Yeah, I’ve seen you at the UFC before. You’re very calm around people, when people grabbing at you, want to take pictures, you just relax.

Mike Tyson: (06:29)
The UFC is awesome because everybody’s nuts.

Joe Rogan: (06:33)
Yeah, it’s definitely a wild environment.

Mike Tyson: (06:37)
What do you think Khabib’s going to do now?

Joe Rogan: (06:39)
What do I think who? Khabib?

Mike Tyson: (06:41)
Yeah.

Joe Rogan: (06:42)
Well, he does whatever the fuck he wants to do. That’s what I think. I think that guy’s probably the best lightweight of all time. He’s a monster.

Mike Tyson: (06:49)
Incredible.

Joe Rogan: (06:50)
I think he’s probably going to have some fights at 170 pounds eventually, if I’d imagine. At 155, there’s good fights for him. Tony Ferguson’s a great fight for him. I’m really interested in seeing that. I’m really interested in seeing him going up. I’m really interested in seeing him fight at 170 pounds. I think there’s a lot of fights for him-

Mike Tyson: (07:07)
Who you looking for him to fight?

Joe Rogan: (07:10)
Well, first of all, Tyron Woodley, who is the champ. That would be an insane fight. George St-Pierre, if he decided to come back and make a big super fight. That would be an insane fight. I think 170 has a lot of opportunities for him, but I think 155 does, too. They just have to figure out who’s going to fight him. He’s an international superstar now, Khabib, especially the way he smashed Conor. Conor’s such a superstar already that the way Khabib won and did it so dominant, I think he’s through the roof now. I think when he comes back and people see the pay-per-view numbers of his fights, they’re going to realize how huge this guy is, because he’s so interesting.

Joe Rogan: (07:47)
He’s very humble. He’s very polite, very well spoken. A very religious guy. Lives with his family. Lives with his parents. Lives with his parents and his family, I believe. I hope I’m not speaking out of school. I believe that’s true. And obviously, he doesn’t have to for money. He’s rich as shit now, but he’s just a monster. Best grappler I’ve ever seen inside the 155 pound division. He just smashes people.

Mike Tyson: (08:11)
What do you think about Jon Jones, though?

Joe Rogan: (08:13)
In what way?

Mike Tyson: (08:15)
His skills.

Joe Rogan: (08:16)
He’s phenomenal.

Mike Tyson: (08:17)
Incredible.

Joe Rogan: (08:17)
The best ever using distance. He knows distance better than anybody. He’s a master at knowing when he can hit you and you can’t hit him.

Mike Tyson: (08:24)
Yeah, I miss watching him fight. You know what I mean? He’s not fighting as much anymore.

Joe Rogan: (08:27)
He’s back. He just won.

Mike Tyson: (08:28)
Is he?

Joe Rogan: (08:28)
He just won the title again. Just fought Alexander Gustafsson.

Mike Tyson: (08:31)
Yeah?

Joe Rogan: (08:31)
Yeah, a couple weeks ago.

Mike Tyson: (08:33)
For Bacon’s title?

Joe Rogan: (08:34)
It was Daniel Cormier relinquished his title. It’s weird. Cormier is the champ because Jon Jones tested positive for something, so they stripped him, and then Cormier became the champ. I think they’ll probably fight again, whether they fight again in heavyweight or light heavyweight.

Tom Segura: (08:54)
Really?

Joe Rogan: (08:54)
Yeah, I think Cormier and Jon Jones … If Cormier wants to. If he wants to keep going, but he says he wants to retire soon. He’s 40.

Mike Tyson: (08:59)
He still looks good, though.

Joe Rogan: (09:03)
He looks great, especially at heavyweight. At heavyweight, he doesn’t have to cut weight. He’s got so much strength and just so agile. He’s such an unbelievable wrestler, too. His wrestling skill, his skill level and understanding of wrestling is so high. It’s so above most people.

Mike Tyson: (09:18)
Anybody he fought outside of Jon Jones, he dominated them.

Joe Rogan: (09:21)
Yeah, yeah. That’s how good Jon is. Jon’s that good. It just sucks that he’s had so many controversies in his life, but I’m hoping he puts all that shit behind him. Have you ever spoken with him about that?

Mike Tyson: (09:33)
Never about his personal life or anything, but we’ve met before and talked.

Joe Rogan: (09:38)
When you went through legal problems yourself, you overcame. You came out of it on the other end. I would think a guy like him could benefit a lot from talking to a guy like you.

Mike Tyson: (09:48)
It’s just so difficult and it’s so unfortunate that he has to go through something like that.

Joe Rogan: (09:53)
Do you think so?

Mike Tyson: (09:54)
Yes, it’s really unfortunate because sometimes people, they don’t survive situations like that-

Joe Rogan: (10:00)
Because they’re so wild and they’re having a good time too much, and they’re partying and they’re the champ.

Mike Tyson: (10:04)
It has to come to an end. If you don’t bring it to an end, it’s going to come to its own end, and he might not like that way it ends.

Joe Rogan: (10:12)
Yeah, so you think for a guy like him, maybe getting in trouble was a good thing?

Mike Tyson: (10:17)
Only if you learn from experiences like that.

Joe Rogan: (10:21)
I think you learned.

Mike Tyson: (10:22)
I was just a wild guy. I was really a wild guy. I look at myself now, I say to myself when I spent all those trips in those psych wards, I said, “What was that all about? What was wrong with me back then?” I was really disturbed back then.

Tom Segura: (10:38)
But, you’re somebody who got to the point where you got … It’s really fascinating because I know you know you’re a public figure. I’ve been able to watch you my whole life. You went through all that stuff and then you got to this point where you are very self-reflective. You are able to comment on it. Most people regardless of whether they’re famous or not just still don’t get to that point where they’re able to look back and examine who they were and doing wild shit-

Joe Rogan: (11:07)
With ruthless honesty.

Tom Segura: (11:08)
Yeah, that’s what’s so great.

Mike Tyson: (11:11)
You have to reflect on yourself to discover who you really are.

Joe Rogan: (11:14)
When you’re 20 years old and all of a sudden you’re the heavyweight champion of the world and just a few years ago you were poor, and now all of a sudden you’re the king of the world.

Mike Tyson: (11:21)
That’s really crazy. So young, it’s really crazy. I was unable to handle that. I wasn’t expecting that. That was really a sucker punch right there. [crosstalk 00:11:28] That’s a real sucker punch right there. I wasn’t ready for that one.

Joe Rogan: (11:34)
Charlie Murphy told us a story, and it’s animated … It’s on YouTube now … of you and him coming over to your house in a limousine, and you had a … Was it a lion or a tiger?

Mike Tyson: (11:42)
Tiger. See, he messed up with the lions. I had the tiger.

Tom Segura: (11:47)
Dude.

Joe Rogan: (11:47)
It is one of the craziest fucking stories.

Tom Segura: (11:50)
So, for people that don’t know, I got to hang out with at one of my shows one time, and I had the best time talking to you about everything. What made you think you could get a tiger? How did that even happen?

Mike Tyson: (12:02)
Hey, this is very interesting. I’m in prison at the time. I’m in prison and I’m talking to my car dealer at the time. He had some cars that belonged to a friend of mine, both a friend of ours, and he’s discussing, “If he doesn’t pay for these cars, I’m going to sell these cars to somebody and get some horses.” I said, “You can get horses? Trade horses in for cars?” I had a lot of cars. I thought I’d probably get some horses, too. He said, “Yeah, man. You can get cougars, lions, tigers.” I said, “Dude, can you get me some tigers?” He said, “Yeah.” The guy said, “Man, how could would that be?” Because, I had a bunch of fancy cars. He said, “Imagine that, man. You’d be in an Aston Martin or a Ferrari, and having a tiger right next to you, man? That would be so awesome.”

Mike Tyson: (12:47)
I’m a young guy. I’m in prison. I’m saying to myself, “Wow, that would be cool.” I said, “Yeah, get me some cubs, man.” Then, when I came home, I had those cubs right there waiting for me.

Tom Segura: (12:56)
So, you raised them as cubs?

Mike Tyson: (12:58)
Yes.

Tom Segura: (12:58)
I would see footage of you fucking smacking them around and jumping on one of your tigers, and I was like, “Holy shit.”

Mike Tyson: (13:05)
Oh, no. I had them since they were babies. I had their mother. Their mother and their babies.

Joe Rogan: (13:11)
This is a crazy picture. You, in your underwear, with a tiger on a chain. That is one of the-

Tom Segura: (13:17)
That’s a champ right here.

Joe Rogan: (13:18)
That’s you at peak crazy.

Mike Tyson: (13:20)
Yeah, insane. God, what was going through my mind? I don’t know what made me think about … My friends said, “Mike, you can get some awesome animals,” and I’m thinking, “Really? Are you serious?” I’m going to get some horses.

Joe Rogan: (13:33)
Everybody does it though. Those are one of the things with what’s his face from Narcos?

Tom Segura: (13:39)
Oh, Pablo Escobar.

Joe Rogan: (13:40)
Pablo Escobar.

Tom Segura: (13:40)
He’s got a fucking zoo.

Joe Rogan: (13:43)
Escobar had a whole crazy zoo. They all do it.

Tom Segura: (13:45)
Once you get that rich, you’re like get some animals.

Joe Rogan: (13:47)
Chapo, too.

Mike Tyson: (13:47)
Yeah, you want to fuck with some animals. You know what I mean? Fuck these people, let me get some animals. They throw people in there with the lions and tigers, “Get in there, you motherfucker.”

Joe Rogan: (13:57)
It’s a real common thing with super rich people. They start getting lions and tigers and shit.

Mike Tyson: (14:02)
Michael Jackson had all that stuff, too.

Tom Segura: (14:04)
That’s right. Michael Jackson.

Mike Tyson: (14:04)
Wonderland.

Joe Rogan: (14:05)
Michael Jackson, and Hugh Hefner, too. [crosstalk 00:14:09] Hugh Hefner had a zoo in his backyard.

Tom Segura: (14:10)
That’s true.

Joe Rogan: (14:11)
But, he had weird shit like weird birds. He maybe had a monkey or something.

Tom Segura: (14:16)
He did have weird shit.

Joe Rogan: (14:17)
Nothing dangerous.

Mike Tyson: (14:18)
I went up there before at the Playboy Mansion. This is at the end of his career. What was it? 10 years ago or something? It was pretty awesome.

Joe Rogan: (14:26)
Yeah, that guy. What a life he lived.

Tom Segura: (14:28)
Hugh?

Joe Rogan: (14:29)
Yeah.

Mike Tyson: (14:32)
In his pajamas.

Tom Segura: (14:32)
They’re sucking his balls and he’s 80 and shit.

Mike Tyson: (14:34)
Oh, no [crosstalk 00:14:36].

Joe Rogan: (14:36)
Deep into his 80’s.

Tom Segura: (14:38)
Deep, yeah.

Joe Rogan: (14:40)
Even his 90’s.

Tom Segura: (14:40)
Here’s the thing. That dude lived the lifestyle he was talking about. A lot of people talk shit and you’re like, “You don’t really do that.” He was really doing it, man.

Mike Tyson: (14:48)
If I start living that lifestyle, I’ll be dark. I’ll start getting dark. That’s just amazing.

Joe Rogan: (14:53)
Too much indulgence.

Tom Segura: (14:55)
Wait, one other thing because I’ve got to run and I had to ask-

Mike Tyson: (14:58)
Where you going, man?

Tom Segura: (14:59)
I got to go meet the wife, man.

Mike Tyson: (15:01)
Oh, yeah. That’ll do it to you.

Tom Segura: (15:03)
That’ll do it. I read one time … All right, so for people that know, I met Mike on a flight and it was a surreal experience. From being a kid and thinking this is Superman … That’s what I thought as a kid. You know what I mean? When you see it as a kid, too, I think it’s different. You’re just like, “Whoa, that is so nuts.” These 11 second knockouts and shit.

Mike Tyson: (15:24)
And, Joe, you know what’s so bizarre. Periodically, even to this day, people will come up to me and talk about the experience they had. They saw him and he talked about meeting me. They’ll say, “Is that true?”

Tom Segura: (15:34)
All the time, right?

Joe Rogan: (15:34)
It’s on his special. Which Netflix special?

Tom Segura: (15:37)
It’s on Mostly Stories.

Mike Tyson: (15:38)
People ask me, “Is that true?”

Tom Segura: (15:39)
Yeah, Mostly Stories.

Mike Tyson: (15:40)
You really meet him?

Tom Segura: (15:42)
It was a surreal experience, and we spoke on the plane. Then, when I thought we were done talking, I faced forward and then he came back and tapped me on the shoulder. I was like, “Oh shit, Mike’s talking to me.” I’m down here, seat belted in, but then we land, and he was like, “Oh, where’s your show?” I go, “Oh, it’s here.” I gave him the number. Never expect to hear. Hits me up the next day and he’s like, “We’re coming to your show.” I was like, “Oh my God.” I really did say, “I’m amazed that you’re coming.” He said, “It’s all love.” And, I just said, “I love you,” because I didn’t know what to say.

Mike Tyson: (16:17)
That was good. That was cool.

Tom Segura: (16:21)
Then, he was like, “All right, man,” and then he hung up the phone. I remember I called the Pittsburgh Improv manager and I go, “Hey, man …” I just go, “You’re not going to believe this but Tyson’s coming to the fight tonight.” He goes, “Mike Tyson?” I go, “No, fucking Tyson Chicken. Yeah, Mike Tyson’s coming tonight.” He’s like, “I’ll corridor off a whole thing.” I didn’t know he was at the show because the show had already started and I didn’t see him arrive. After the show, I walk offstage and he grabs me and he goes, “Let’s go to the greenroom.” He took me to my greenroom. I was like, “Fuck, yeah.” We hung out in that greenroom over an hour just shooting the shit and talking.

Tom Segura: (17:05)
I forgot, the time had passed, I opened the door, the entire staff … entire staff … is lined up at the door to meet him. That’s the effect that he has on the group. They’re waiting in a line for an hour outside the greenroom. We talked about boxing, about life. It was fascinating. One of things I really appreciated about you as a fighter was that you really knew that you were putting on a show. That’s something that I feel like I miss. There’s no one that puts on the show the way you did. You knew the people bought tickets and paid for the pay-per-view.

Tom Segura: (17:42)
It’s still one of my great memories, man. It was a thrill to meet you, so I just wanted to stop by and say, “Hi.”

Joe Rogan: (17:48)
It sounds like you’re wrapping it up.

Mike Tyson: (17:49)
That’s awesome. Yeah, he has to go.

Tom Segura: (17:51)
I do, I do. Oh, by the way, did you buy seven Bentleys that were the same color?

Mike Tyson: (17:56)
No, but I bought around seven Bentleys before.

Tom Segura: (17:58)
Damn.

Mike Tyson: (17:59)
They were Rolls Royce’s.

Tom Segura: (18:00)
I wanted to ask to be sure.

Joe Rogan: (18:01)
You did give away one where you crashed it, right? Gave it to some cops?

Mike Tyson: (18:03)
Yeah, let me tell you that story. I wish you had some time. I was married at the time to Robin Givens, and we were in some fast food joint and we were ordering food. She went in my pockets, I guess to get some money out of my pocket to pay for it, and some condoms came out. She was mad, so she got in the car and then boom, she crashed the car into another car that was just parked there. Boom, and she hit somebody. She hurt their arm. Then, the cops came. So, the cops came and the cops were saying, “Hey, what happened here?” I was afraid they were going to arrest me so I said, “Well, nothing happened officer. Nothing.”

Mike Tyson: (18:47)
There was a guy with a broken arm. I said, “You know, sir, why don’t you just take the car. You deserve it because you’ve been doing a lot.” I didn’t want to get arrested. I didn’t have a license or anything. I didn’t want my wife to get in trouble. I said, “Why don’t you just take it?” It was around $230 at the time. I said, “Why don’t you just take it. It’ll be okay.” The guy said, “Hey, don’t tell me that.” Then, once he said that, I said, “Got him.” I said, “I got him.” I said, “Hey, man. Take it, man. Do this, man. You deserve this. Take it.” They took it, but before that some guy’s arm was broken. I gave him money. I said, “Here, take the money.”

Mike Tyson: (19:18)
Then, he came back to the police saying, “My arm is broken.” The cop said, “Now, you get away from him. I’m not going to tell you to get away from me no more.” Because, he didn’t want to mess this deal up with this car because if the guy complained, he’s not going to get this car.

Joe Rogan: (19:27)
That’s hilarious.

Mike Tyson: (19:28)
So, the cop said, “Don’t fucking come near me again. You hear me?” The guy just backed off and I just said, “Go ahead, man. I’ll see you later.” And, I took off with my wife. I didn’t want us to get in trouble.

Joe Rogan: (19:37)
But, they made him give away the car, right?

Mike Tyson: (19:38)
Well, I went back to my office and I said, “Give me my fucking car back.” I went to the-

Joe Rogan: (19:42)
Really?

Mike Tyson: (19:44)
Yeah. He got fired.

Tom Segura: (19:49)
He did?

Mike Tyson: (19:49)
Yeah.

Joe Rogan: (19:49)
Oh my God.

Mike Tyson: (19:49)
He’s probably hearing this saying, “I’m going to get that bastard, Tyson.” I’m an Indian giver. I wanted my car back. I wanted my car back.

Joe Rogan: (20:00)
Oh, no. Can you imagine Mike Tyson calls you up and says, “Give me my fucking car back”? You’re like, “Shit.”

Tom Segura: (20:06)
Yeah, it’s outside, man. I got it for you.

Joe Rogan: (20:09)
Goddammit. What was I thinking?

Mike Tyson: (20:12)
Listen, I got to tell you something. I got to tell you something. You guys know I embarked in the marijuana business, the cannabis business, right?

Joe Rogan: (20:15)
Yes. This beautiful box that you gave us-

Tom Segura: (20:15)
That is a beautiful box by the way.

Joe Rogan: (20:19)
Thank you so much for that, Tyson Ranch.

Mike Tyson: (20:20)
Yeah, that’s so awesome. Thank you, man, for accepting it.

Joe Rogan: (20:22)
My pleasure. I’m honored.

Tom Segura: (20:24)
Yeah, that’s a cool ass box, man.

Mike Tyson: (20:25)
Yeah, Tyson Ranch is going to be opening pretty shortly, around 2002. I mean, 2022.

Joe Rogan: (20:30)
I saw the plants. This is a big deal.

Tom Segura: (20:33)
Really?

Joe Rogan: (20:34)
This place is gigantic.

Tom Segura: (20:35)
Which state?

Joe Rogan: (20:36)
It’s in California.

Mike Tyson: (20:38)
California [crosstalk 00:20:39].

Tom Segura: (20:38)
All right, cool.

Joe Rogan: (20:39)
They’re setting up a resort.

Tom Segura: (20:42)
Really?

Joe Rogan: (20:42)
Yeah.

Mike Tyson: (20:43)
It’s going to be the best facility in the world, man. It’s going to have an acre long lake.

Tom Segura: (20:51)
Wow, you can go stay?

Mike Tyson: (20:52)
Go up and camp. There’s going to be camping, glamping.

Tom Segura: (20:55)
Glamping, glamorous camping.

Joe Rogan: (20:55)
Glamorous camping.

Mike Tyson: (20:56)
Very glamorous, yeah.

Joe Rogan: (20:58)
How about we have some tigers and shit? Put some wild animals-

Mike Tyson: (21:00)
It’s a possibility. My partner, Rob Hickman, was discussing that, too.

Tom Segura: (21:04)
Where are those tigers?

Mike Tyson: (21:05)
Well, I had them for 14 years, so I had to get rid of them. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan: (21:07)
What do you do when you want to get rid of a tiger?

Mike Tyson: (21:09)
A sanctuary or something.

Tom Segura: (21:10)
All right, fuck. I got to run. I love you. I love you. I love you.

Mike Tyson: (21:12)
Ah man, Tom.

Joe Rogan: (21:12)
I love you too, buddy.

Tom Segura: (21:14)
I love you.

Mike Tyson: (21:15)
Look, Better Cannabis dude.

Joe Rogan: (21:16)
There it is.

Tom Segura: (21:17)
Yeah, congrats on that, man. That looks dope.

Mike Tyson: (21:20)
Awesome, man. I’m so excited about this stuff. I love embarking on this cannabis stuff-

Joe Rogan: (21:26)
Later, brother. Say hi to the missus.

Mike Tyson: (21:27)
It’s so awesome.

Joe Rogan: (21:29)
Yeah, you seem to be really enjoying this. When you were talking to your partners out there, you were having a good time with this.

Mike Tyson: (21:35)
Aw, man, I never thought that in a million years I’d be able to do this, and legalized.

Joe Rogan: (21:40)
When did you start regularly smoking weed?

Mike Tyson: (21:42)
Since I was 10 years old.

Joe Rogan: (21:44)
The whole time when you were fighting, you were regularly smoking weed?

Mike Tyson: (21:46)
Well, you know when you’re a kid and your mother gives you liquor and marijuana and think that you’re going to go to sleep or something.

Joe Rogan: (21:52)
Really?

Mike Tyson: (21:53)
Yeah.

Joe Rogan: (21:53)
That never happened at my house.

Mike Tyson: (21:55)
Yeah, my mother was an alcoholic.

Joe Rogan: (21:58)
Damn, that’s harsh. Liquor and marijuana to see if you’d go to sleep.

Mike Tyson: (22:02)
Yeah.

Joe Rogan: (22:02)
It didn’t work.

Mike Tyson: (22:04)
I don’t think so. I don’t think so.

Joe Rogan: (22:09)
What benefits do you get out of marijuana? What does it do for you?

Mike Tyson: (22:12)
Hey, man, if I didn’t, I’d have a bad day. I’m a really moody guy without it. It smooths me out. As soon as I take it, I’m a whole different person. I’m ready to go, on top of my game, I’m balling.

Joe Rogan: (22:26)
Yeah, I feel the same way sometimes. It makes me nicer. It calms me down. Do you smoke-

Mike Tyson: (22:34)
And, I like who I am when I smoke. Without weed, I don’t sometimes like who I am sometimes. That’s just the real sometimes. I don’t like that guy. I want to get away from that guy.

Joe Rogan: (22:44)
Well you know, I was talking to Michael Irving once, he was explaining to me when children grow up in high stress environments, that their genes are wired to have a propensity towards violence. If it’s normal, if it’s around them all the time, when they’re growing up, and when they’re in the womb even-

Mike Tyson: (22:59)
Yeah, I agree.

Joe Rogan: (23:00)
When their mother’s under extreme stress, if they live in a bad neighborhood, it’s hard for some people like yourself, that did grow up in an environment like that to ever reach where you’re at right now, just a place of peace. And if you can do that through marijuana, or whatever it is, yoga, meditation, whatever you do to get there, we should be happy that you can get there. That’s what we want.

Mike Tyson: (23:23)
Listen, I am so grateful that I embarked on this. I’ve never been a person … this magnitude or this kind of relaxation, just enjoying my time with you. I was very uptight. I was very uncomfortable with myself.

Joe Rogan: (23:37)
Did you feel any better after you worked out when you were young like that?

Mike Tyson: (23:40)
Absolutely, but you know what? The best thing that ever happened to me was that I retired from boxing because me working out, I was so intense with it, my whole objective was hurting people and wanting to be the best, and my ego took over and I’m like, “Tyson, I’m the best that ever lived” and all this bullshit. Dealing with my partner, Rob Hickman, I happen to come across this thing called the toad. Are you familiar with the toad?

Joe Rogan: (24:09)
Yeah, what you’re talking about is 5-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine.

Mike Tyson: (24:12)
Oh, that’s it right there. I came across that, and I smoked this medicine, drug, whatever you want to call it, and I’ve never been the same. I look at life different. I look at people differently, and the experience, I can’t even express really. It’s almost like dying and being reborn.

Joe Rogan: (24:35)
Yeah, I had the exact same experience. That’s what it felt like to me, too. You stop existing. The 5-methoxy, there’s two-

Mike Tyson: (24:43)
Tell me what’s the deal with that? What the hell’s going on here?

Joe Rogan: (24:47)
5-methoxy is produced by your brain, but what it is is it’s DMT with an oxygen molecule attached to it. So, regular DMT is N,N-Dimethyltryptamine, and then 5-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine is DMT with a very … there’s a very subtle change to the molecule, and that sudden change for some reason takes away the visuals. You’ve done regular DMT, too, right?

Mike Tyson: (25:10)
Yes.

Joe Rogan: (25:11)
Regular DMT is rich with visuals. Very strange, bright, colorful, and possible described visuals.

Mike Tyson: (25:17)
Yes, it’s inconceivable.

Joe Rogan: (25:19)
Inconceivable is the best way to put it.

Mike Tyson: (25:21)
Yeah, inconceivable. I tried to explain it to some people, my wife, it’s just I don’t have the words to explain it.

Joe Rogan: (25:27)
That’s exactly what I also say. I’ve done a terrible job explaining it to everybody every time I’ve tried. It just doesn’t work. But, all those things, they give you perspective.

Mike Tyson: (25:36)
It’s almost like you’re dying, you’re submissive, you’re humble, you’re vulnerable but you’re invincible still in all. It’s just that weird feeling.

Joe Rogan: (25:47)
You feel like you’re part of the universe. When you’re separate from your ego, you realize you’re a part of this whole thing, and this whole thing is unstoppable. It’s a gigantic, huge, all encompassing almost like a living thing life.

Mike Tyson: (26:02)
You know, Joe, this is where I also realized, too, after going through the experience, you realize how insignificant you are sometimes without your ego.

Joe Rogan: (26:09)
Yes.

Mike Tyson: (26:10)
You realize, “Wow, you’re not really much that you really thought you were.”

Joe Rogan: (26:14)
Yeah, you are and you aren’t. Obviously you are in everyday life. You go places. You have a dramatic effect on people. You mean a lot. You mean a lot to those people that you run into. You mean a lot to the people that you love and that love you. But, we all do and it’s all relative. No one is irreplaceable but everyone is special to someone or something, and at least to themselves but we’re all the same. We’re all a part of this weird, crazy, gigantic organism that’s the human race.

Mike Tyson: (26:46)
It’s so odd that you say that. My mentor, Cus D’Amato, his objective was to think of nothing. You’re nothing. Nothing’s nothing but the objective, the job and that was his psychological warfare. Nothing matters. You’re nothing. Nothing matters. The only thing that matters is the objective and accomplishing that objective by going through these methods of boxing.

Joe Rogan: (27:03)
Do you ever stop and think about how fortunate it was you ran into that guy?

Mike Tyson: (27:07)
Listen, to this day I really don’t understand that. I say, “How did this happen?”

Joe Rogan: (27:12)
Because so many people-

Mike Tyson: (27:13)
Because, listen, by the time I was born, he was 66 years old by the time I was born.

Joe Rogan: (27:17)
Yeah, crazy. So many people could-

Mike Tyson: (27:20)
I can’t even explain it. He’s a magnificent individual.

Joe Rogan: (27:25)
He was an amazing guy, an amazing part of boxing with an unprecedented grasp of the mindset required for combat sports. That was the thing that always really stood out about him. He was a guy that was so … He was so well versed in the mindset. I would listen to his speeches when he would talk about you, and he would talk about boxing. He would talk about fear, and about a fear can be a fire. It can cook your food or it can burn your house down. You have to control that. When he would describe it, it would be so enlightening. He was such a man of wisdom that when he would describe things, they would sink in.

Joe Rogan: (28:07)
Somebody could say the same thing, but with him, he had so much life experience-

Mike Tyson: (28:11)
He wore so many hats. He was a psychiatrist, he was a doctor, he was a father, he was a mother. He was just all around that individual.

Joe Rogan: (28:19)
Yeah, and with an amazing knowledge of boxing. And, for a guy like you it was almost like it was ordained.

Mike Tyson: (28:26)
That’s what I always said. It was meant for me to meet this guy because I had no way in a million years … Everybody would say, “There’s no way you’re going to be champion. You’re too small. You’re too short. There’s no way. These guys are too big for you.” He would always say, “This is the greatest fighter that ever lived.” He was always saying this about me. I’m like, “Oh, God. This guy’s just souping me up.” I never thought I could achieve what he was saying. The things he was saying were just so gigantic in my eyes at the time.

Joe Rogan: (28:49)
Yeah, I mean when it all happened and it turned out he was true and you have to absorb all this when you’re 20 years old … I always say this about Justin Bieber, and I don’t think Justin Bieber nearly had to deal with what you had to deal with. Your experience was so much crazier because you were not just an incredibly famous guy. You were the baddest man on the planet, so there was an aura to you everywhere you went. People wanted to see you. 50-year-old men don’t give a fuck about Justin Bieber. No disrespect. He’s a great guy and a great singer, but he’s young girls. For young girls, that guy’s unbelievably famous. He’s been famous since he was a little kid. When people hear about him going crazy-

Mike Tyson: (29:29)
That’s amazing, right?

Joe Rogan: (29:30)
Amazing. When people hear about him going insane, I’m like, “Of course he’s going insane. You have no idea what it would be like to be him and be 17 years old, and girls literally trying to break into his house to throw pussy at him.” They’re coming down chimneys. They’re flying in on parachutes. They’re doing anything they can. They just want to be around him and you want him to be normal?

Mike Tyson: (29:50)
Oh, poor Justin. Poor guy.

Joe Rogan: (29:53)
No one can handle that.

Mike Tyson: (29:55)
What kind of music you listening to?

Joe Rogan: (29:57)
I listen to everything, man. I do. I listen to a lot of classic rock for whatever reason, but I’ve been listening to a lot of Kanye West on the last few weeks.

Mike Tyson: (30:05)
Tell me, what’s he talking about?

Joe Rogan: (30:06)
Kanye?

Mike Tyson: (30:06)
Yeah.

Joe Rogan: (30:07)
He’s talking about a lot of crazy shit. He actually talked about DMT in one of his recent songs.

Mike Tyson: (30:12)
Really? You think he did that before?

Joe Rogan: (30:13)
I think he did.

Mike Tyson: (30:14)
Aw, man.

Joe Rogan: (30:15)
Well, I know he’s friends with Kid Cudi. Kid Cudi’s been in here and Kid Cudi has had some psychedelic experiences.

Mike Tyson: (30:21)
Yeah, once you go there, you don’t want to do nothing else again.

Joe Rogan: (30:26)
Well, it puts it all into perspective. It lets you see that as much as this thing seems to be important, this is all temporary and you’re a part of forever.

Mike Tyson: (30:36)
And, it also allows you to become comfortable with death.

Joe Rogan: (30:40)
Yeah, you know who said that? Larry Hagman. Remember that guy, Dallas … JR from Dallas?

Mike Tyson: (30:46)
Yeah, JR from Dallas.

Joe Rogan: (30:46)
He did an interview with CNN once.

Mike Tyson: (30:48)
And, I Dream of Jeannie as well.

Joe Rogan: (30:49)
Yeah, that’s right. He sprung it on them on CNN once. He was talking about how he did acid. He took a big dose of acid and he’s never worried about death ever again, that it just alleviated his worry about passing on.

Mike Tyson: (31:03)
That’s wild. I felt the same way. I said, “Wow, it doesn’t matter anymore.”

Joe Rogan: (31:06)
I think DMT even more specifically because they think it might be-

Mike Tyson: (31:10)
Yeah, why does it affect the mind that way? What causes it to affect the mind that way?

Joe Rogan: (31:14)
They don’t totally know.

Mike Tyson: (31:16)
That it makes you visualize everything?

Joe Rogan: (31:21)
They don’t totally know. They know that your brain makes it. They know that your body makes it, they should say. They know that it’s produced in your liver and your lungs, and there’s some evidence now because they’ve found it in rats that the pineal gland produces. That’s the third eye of eastern mysticism. That gland actually in rats, they’ve proven, produces DMT, and they think it does so in people, too.

Mike Tyson: (31:40)
You know, once I did it, I wanted to do it again and again and again. They said, “You shouldn’t do it too much, Mike.” But, I was like, “Man, I got to grasp what’s going on here. Why am I feeling this? Why did this in a weird way humbled you?”

Joe Rogan: (31:52)
I don’t think you should listen to the people who say you shouldn’t do it too much. I think you should do it as much as you want.

Mike Tyson: (31:56)
That’s what I agree with, too. I agree.

Joe Rogan: (31:58)
Yeah, you could handle it. If you could handle being Mike Tyson, you can handle doing DMT a few times.

Mike Tyson: (32:03)
DMT, yeah, that’s where I think I’m going. I think I’m going in that direction.

Joe Rogan: (32:06)
Well, I mean it’s not something you should do all day every day, but you can learn a lot from it. And, it’s very beneficial and very strange that it’s illegal. It’s illegal.

Mike Tyson: (32:16)
Yeah, I noticed that. That’s pretty bizarre.

Joe Rogan: (32:18)
Terence McKenna had a joke about it because your body’s making it, so everybody’s holding. We all have it. It’s illegal but it’s like making blood illegal. Everybody has it.

Mike Tyson: (32:28)
Isn’t it wild where they go in the Sahara Desert and they find these toads?

Joe Rogan: (32:31)
Yeah. I’ve never experienced it from the toad, I’ve only experienced it-

Mike Tyson: (32:35)
I watched it on television.

Joe Rogan: (32:37)
Oh, the way they extract it?

Mike Tyson: (32:37)
Yeah, they grab them and they squeeze it and it busts pimples and they bust it on the glass mirror and then they take it off and they let it harden.

Joe Rogan: (32:45)
Yeah, they let it dry in the sun. They scrape it off with a razor blade. I’ve only had it synthetically made in a laboratory. You used to be able to buy it online. Used to be able to buy a fucking can of it, like this big. Enough to get a whole state high. You could just buy it online. It was totally legal.

Mike Tyson: (33:02)
Incredible.

Joe Rogan: (33:02)
Yeah, it’s weird.

Mike Tyson: (33:03)
It’s bizarre that it’s illegal.

Joe Rogan: (33:06)
Well, they would say, “Not for Human Consumption”. I don’t know what the fuck you’re doing with it if you’re not using it for human consumption, but you used to be able to buy it.

Mike Tyson: (33:13)
I’ve never felt anything like that before.

Joe Rogan: (33:15)
No, nothing like that.

Mike Tyson: (33:16)
It makes me not want to do any … Nothing else can supersede that.

Joe Rogan: (33:20)
How long ago did it happen?

Mike Tyson: (33:22)
Around two months ago.

Joe Rogan: (33:23)
Yeah? Did you write down what happened after it happened or did you record it?

Mike Tyson: (33:28)
No, I wish I did. I wish I did.

Joe Rogan: (33:30)
Yeah, me too. It goes away like a dream, right?

Mike Tyson: (33:34)
It comes off, you’re so scared … It starts off like this, “No, no, no. Yeah.” That’s how it starts, “No, I don’t want to [inaudible 00:33:44]. Hey, I want this to stop now.” The guy’s like, “Hey, you’re on the ride,” and I’m like, “No, no, no. Yeah. I love it. I love you. I love you. I love you.”

Joe Rogan: (33:54)
Yeah, you love everybody.

Mike Tyson: (33:55)
Yeah, so it was spazzed out.

Joe Rogan: (33:57)
Yeah. Did you have a hard time letting go?

Mike Tyson: (34:00)
At the beginning, I was fighting it. I was saying, “Stop, I want it to stop now. Just stop this shit now. Stop.” And, the guy was like, “Hey, you got to go for the ride, dude.” It was like oh man, I feel like I’m dying. I’m seeing the Aztec thing. I’m seeing toads. I’m just seeing weird animals, things flying. It’s like another [inaudible 00:34:23], boom, flashing. You’re gone. It’s like a rocket. You’re taking off. Voom.

Joe Rogan: (34:29)
Yeah, it’s beyond your imagination.

Mike Tyson: (34:32)
It’s inconceivable. I can’t even explain it to no one.

Joe Rogan: (34:36)
Well, I’m hoping that they start with psilocybin because I know MAPS, they’re doing some great work with that trying to get these things legalized, especially they’re doing MDMA studies with veterans and people with PTSD, and they’re having great results. They’re moving into psilocybin. They would love to get psilocybin legal and it’s up for ballot, I think it was in Oregon. Is that where it is? I think Oregon is up for legalization this year and it may be eventually in California as well. They may put it for legalization.

Mike Tyson: (35:03)
How do you think they’re going to do with that?

Joe Rogan: (35:05)
It should be legal. It doesn’t kill anybody. It’s not a bad thing if they regulate it, if they make it for therapeutic use and just set up centers where experts can show … But, they shouldn’t make it prohibited for people to own it or even grow their own. It’s not a bad idea to set up places where people can do it under a professional’s care, a shaman’s care or a physician’s care. That’s a good idea, but making it illegal is a bad idea because it helps a lot of people. People think of it as a party drug. They think you’re going to mushrooms and freak out and go fucking run around naked, “Ah, mushrooms, mushrooms.”

Mike Tyson: (35:36)
Oh, I used to do mushrooms. I love mushrooms. I love mushrooms.

Joe Rogan: (35:40)
Well, psilocybin and DMT are very closely related chemically. All those really potent psychedelic drugs are very closely related. They all break down in some similar path inside your brain and give you that weird, ego dissolving experience. That’s one thing-

Mike Tyson: (36:02)
Yeah, most the drugs you do are ego-enhancing.

Joe Rogan: (36:06)
Right, like coke.

Mike Tyson: (36:07)
Yeah, you’re like the baddest mother … you’re just gone, man.

Joe Rogan: (36:13)
You’ve never had coffee, I’ve never had coke.

Mike Tyson: (36:15)
Never?

Joe Rogan: (36:16)
Never.

Mike Tyson: (36:16)
Ah, man. That’s a bad exchange.

Joe Rogan: (36:18)
Feel like I missed out?

Mike Tyson: (36:19)
Huh? No, you didn’t miss out on nothing, man.

Joe Rogan: (36:24)
Yeah, that one I ducked. When I was in high school, my friend’s cousin used to sell it. He wasted away to nothing. Him and his girlfriend would hang out in the attic, never come out. They would just sell coke and watch TV. It was bad. It was like a vampire bit him. He just became a-

Mike Tyson: (36:40)
Once you get in that vicious cycle, it’s a wrap.

Joe Rogan: (36:43)
Yeah, yeah. I ducked it. I ducked it early. Never did coke.

Mike Tyson: (36:50)
Man.

Joe Rogan: (36:52)
When’s the first time you did coke?

Mike Tyson: (36:53)
I don’t know, I was a kid. 11, 12?

Joe Rogan: (36:55)
Shit.

Mike Tyson: (36:57)
I got involved with drugs early in life.

Joe Rogan: (36:59)
Wow. That’s crazy. 11, 12?

Mike Tyson: (37:03)
Yeah. I was still living in Brooklyn when I first did cocaine.

Joe Rogan: (37:10)
Wow. That’s a crazy age.

Mike Tyson: (37:14)
Listen, I would never let my children … I have a 10 year old daughter and an eight year old … I would never let them live the life that I live. I would hate that. I always fight so hard. I never want them to be in the environment that I grew up in.

Joe Rogan: (37:23)
Yeah, of course. Well, you have the benefit of having gone through it. No one else could ever understand how difficult any of your life must have been for you. It’s got to be one of the harder things when you did that documentary … It’s an amazing documentary. You’re very honest. You’re very honest and you’re very open about all your experiences, and the one thing I took away, I felt like no one can understand … you could hear a guy talk like this. I could hear you say these things. I could see the videos of your fights, see the videos of your experience, but to understand the life that you lived, it’s impossible. It’s just a guess. It’s a guess for someone like me from the outside.

Mike Tyson: (38:05)
It’s just really interesting. I look at it and I think about this young kid from Brooklyn, New York comes to Cus D’Amato at 13, 12 and all of a sudden, I have low self-esteem, this guy gives me this big fucking ego. You know what I mean? I lived by the rules of that ego and I accomplished so much.

Joe Rogan: (38:23)
And a dominator ego, right?

Mike Tyson: (38:26)
Yeah.

Joe Rogan: (38:26)
Your [crosstalk 00:38:26] of confidence.

Mike Tyson: (38:27)
All about destroying people. You could be a lawyer, you’re 200 pounds and I’m staring you down. It was a weird environment growing up that way. We, as people, we try to avoid fights. You know what I mean? From our instincts we avoid fights for all our lives, and just to be able to … This is what you do. You’re a UFC guy, you’re a fighter. This is what you do for a job, a lifestyle. That’s pretty bizarre.

Joe Rogan: (38:50)
But, you were getting positive reinforcement from thinking like that for the first time in your life.

Mike Tyson: (38:54)
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I never felt like that before. It was like taking a big drug, boom, you felt like you’re the man, and then everybody’s telling you you’re great.

Joe Rogan: (39:03)
For the first time in your life.

Mike Tyson: (39:05)
Never understood that. And you know what else Cus D’Amato used to do with me? He used to take me to a hypnotist. He was a hypnotist as well. I used to go in the hypnotist’s motions.

Joe Rogan: (39:16)
What kind of shit did they make you do? How’d they do it?

Mike Tyson: (39:19)
You relax, you go under. You totally focus on blackness, nothingness and you go under and you’re being this savage, intelligent animal. You’re going to do this. You’re going to be a ferocious animal. You’re going to fight, both hands to the body, you’re going to use your jabs, you’re going to do this in ferocious fashion. They’d seeped all that into me as I was younger-

Joe Rogan: (39:41)
You were 12, 13 years old?

Mike Tyson: (39:42)
Yeah.

Joe Rogan: (39:42)
Wow, so they’re putting you under and just teaching you that mindset?

Mike Tyson: (39:46)
Yeah.

Joe Rogan: (39:47)
Whoa. Did he give you any advice on how to shut it off?

Mike Tyson: (39:50)
No.

Joe Rogan: (39:51)
He was probably like, “I don’t have any time.” He was probably like, “I don’t have any time. The kid’s 13 …” How old was Cus at the time?

Mike Tyson: (39:59)
He was like 70, 71.

Joe Rogan: (40:00)
He said, “Shit, there’s no time. There’s no time. I’m not going to teach him the off switch. Just hit the gas.”

Mike Tyson: (40:06)
That’s what it was. The gas. We’re going to destroy these guys. These guys are in our way of my greatness, glory.

Joe Rogan: (40:11)
It’s one of the hardest things that many fighters that I’ve watched over the years have the problem of shutting it off. Turning it on and living like that and just wanting to be a dominator, but then learning how to be a father, learning how to be a friend-

Mike Tyson: (40:28)
Man, my lifetime with children trying to do this stuff, I failed so disastrously. I had no idea what I was doing, too. I had no idea what arena I was stepping into. It was just disastrous. I spend most of my adult life now apologizing to my kids. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan: (40:50)
Yeah, I can imagine.

Mike Tyson: (40:53)
For being such a horrible father.

Joe Rogan: (40:54)
Do you think they understand the shit that you were going through? They understand that you didn’t understand how to live?

Mike Tyson: (40:59)
I have no idea what they understand. I try to basically make sure that part of my life is empty now. I live a different life for my kids, my family now.

Joe Rogan: (41:10)
Well, that’s beautiful. That’s beautiful. Like Tom was saying earlier, you have a lot of self-reflection. You’ve managed to look at your life and find out what has value to you and what helps you.

Mike Tyson: (41:21)
You always have to do self-evaluation. I’m a strong believer in that. Somebody has to check you. You have to check yourself.

Joe Rogan: (41:28)
I agree. Well, especially a guy like you. You’ve been checked. Your ego’s been checked, your life has been checked. You’ve had so many down moments, as well as up moments. You’ve had the full ride of experiences.

Mike Tyson: (41:40)
I never thought I’d survive with my ego being checked. I had no idea that that wasn’t what it was about.

Joe Rogan: (41:46)
So, you thought if your ego checked, you would go away?

Mike Tyson: (41:48)
I would be nothing without my ego.

Joe Rogan: (41:52)
Wow. It makes sense when you’re going through all that hypnosis when you’re 12 and 13 years old. That’s a crazy thing to do to a kid because it was super effective.

Mike Tyson: (41:59)
I had no idea, but I wanted to do it so bad. I wanted to succeed so bad.

Joe Rogan: (42:03)
You could tell. I watched a video of you real recently. You were about 16, 17 years old and you were sparring with some big guy who was a professional heavyweight. What was fascinating to me about it wasn’t just watching you move around when you were young and still learning, but it was also you were upset at yourself after it was over. You didn’t think it went well, and I was like-

Mike Tyson: (42:27)
I don’t remember that.

Joe Rogan: (42:28)
You don’t remember it? It was an interesting video, man. You were like, “It didn’t go well. I can tell it didn’t go well.”

Mike Tyson: (42:31)
I was a sick perfectionist when I was a kid.

Joe Rogan: (42:34)
Yeah, that’s what I was going to say. It seemed like it, like you were obsessed.

Mike Tyson: (42:36)
That was my whole life. That’s all I did was look at boxing, watch boxing, read about fighters. It was all about fighters. Fighters were my gods, “Fighter? Oh, you know that guy? That’s a fighter.” I want to be around them, be their groupie.

Joe Rogan: (42:46)
That’s another amazing occurrence. Imagine that you also knew Jim Jacobs and that fucking fight library that guy had.

Mike Tyson: (42:53)
That’s all I did was watch films all day.

Joe Rogan: (42:54)
It’s amazing. This is pre-VHS. People had VHS but not many, and those fights weren’t on VHS.

Mike Tyson: (43:00)
No way. Remember before, if you missed a fight, you weren’t going to see it again.

Joe Rogan: (43:04)
Right, yeah.

Mike Tyson: (43:05)
Then, we had to tape them.

Joe Rogan: (43:06)
Yeah, and Jim Jacobs, he kept those things on a regular projector type thing.

Mike Tyson: (43:12)
Yeah, 8 MM.

Joe Rogan: (43:12)
If you listen to the voiceover on some of those old fights, it’s Jim Jacobs.

Mike Tyson: (43:17)
Yeah.

Joe Rogan: (43:17)
It’s him doing commentary on some of the old fights that didn’t have any volume to them.

Mike Tyson: (43:21)
I would just study all these guys all day and all night. You studied them.

Joe Rogan: (43:24)
Yeah, it was through you that I learned about a lot of fighters. When you would talk about Jack Dempsey, talk about different fighters from the old days. I learned about a lot of those guys from you. I went back and watched some of those tapes, and now it’s beautiful. Now you can just get on YouTube and you can-

Mike Tyson: (43:39)
You can see whatever you want.

Joe Rogan: (43:40)
See everything. See all of it. But, to go back and watch those old-

Mike Tyson: (43:44)[crosstalk 00:43:44] go back to office and press and I’m going to see this show.

Joe Rogan: (43:48)
Yeah, exactly.

Mike Tyson: (43:49)
We’re going to see this show. I can’t wait. I want you to come by to the ranch when the ranch is-

Joe Rogan: (43:53)
I would love to. I’m in.

Mike Tyson: (43:54)
… productive. It’s going to be awesome.

Joe Rogan: (43:56)
You said 2022?

Mike Tyson: (43:57)
Yeah.

Joe Rogan: (43:57)
So, what is it? Yeah, four years from now? Three years from now?

Mike Tyson: (44:01)
It’ll be pretty awesome.

Joe Rogan: (44:02)
Yeah, that’s awesome. Well, the plans look amazing. How long you guys been working towards this?

Mike Tyson: (44:07)
Hey, listen. We had seen the property and then we purchased it, and we were just overwhelmed with it. This was probably I don’t know? Maybe a year ago. Maybe not even that long. Yeah, maybe a year or so, a year and a half or so.

Joe Rogan: (44:21)
Are you going to have a gym up there?

Mike Tyson: (44:23)
Hey, I never thought about it, but we will because we’ll have the wellness center there.

Joe Rogan: (44:27)
Dude, how great would it be if you taught a boxing class every now and then?

Mike Tyson: (44:31)
I don’t know about all that stuff though. We’re going to hang out there and workout.

Joe Rogan: (44:34)
Just a fun boxing class, like hitting the heavy bag. Just something. You don’t have to get people beating each other up. Do you know how much people would pay to smoke weed and come learn how to box from you?

Mike Tyson: (44:43)
They can smoke with me. That would be cool.

Joe Rogan: (44:47)
Do you smoke weed with people? Just regular folks?

Mike Tyson: (44:49)
Yeah, I smoke weed, yeah. I always try to get my wife to smoke with me.

Joe Rogan: (44:52)
She doesn’t smoke?

Mike Tyson: (44:53)
Yeah, she smokes. Only at nighttime. She can’t function during the daytime.

Joe Rogan: (44:56)
Oh, right, right.

Mike Tyson: (44:56)
She do things during the day.

Joe Rogan: (44:58)
Well, I would imagine if I was a mother, it would be very high to get high because I would get paranoid.

Mike Tyson: (45:03)
Yeah, that’s why she doesn’t do it during the day.

Joe Rogan: (45:05)
At nighttime, it’s different. Smoke a little weed, relax.

Mike Tyson: (45:10)
Hey, did you ever do any fighting?

Joe Rogan: (45:11)
I did kickboxing and TaeKwonDo tournaments.

Mike Tyson: (45:15)
Tell me about that.

Joe Rogan: (45:16)
I was pretty good at TaeKwonDo. I won a bunch of state championships and I won a few national tournaments.

Mike Tyson: (45:23)
When did you know you wanted to get physical with another human being and do this stuff? You can’t be in the right frame of mind to want to do this stuff. You got to realize that.

Joe Rogan: (45:30)
No, I was very scared-

Mike Tyson: (45:32)
People that do this stuff are not in the right frame of mind, and that’s dealing with fear drives you insane. To deal with that drives people insane. I was insane during my career. Just madly insane from fear.

Joe Rogan: (45:42)
Yeah, obviously I never went through anything like the level that you went through, but for these full contact TaeKwonDo fights, I was always scared. But, I was scared before that. I was bullied. I moved around a lot. I was a little kid. I was never very big, and we moved from New Jersey to San Francisco when I was seven, from San Francisco to Florida when I was 11, Florida to Boston when I was 14, or 13. So, it’s just always moving to new schools, always dealing with new kids, and I wasn’t big and I didn’t know how to fight, and I got picked on and I didn’t like it.

Joe Rogan: (46:14)
So, I said, “I want to figure out how to fight.” So, I started getting into martial arts and I just became obsessed with it. I did it every day. I started teaching. I was teaching at Boston University. I was teaching a TaeKwonDo course when I was 19. I was competing from the time I was 15. I just threw myself into it. It’s all I did every day. I worked at the school. I was there every day. I had the keys. I closed up, I opened up. And, because of you, because of hearing about you when you were running in the morning, when you knew that everybody was asleep that it gave you an edge, I’d go there in the middle of the night and open up and workout.

Joe Rogan: (46:43)
I just wanted to just have an edge, and I listened to what you said and I said, “That’s a great way to have an edge.” I became obsessed with it. But, there was no future in it, and then what happened was I went from TaeKwonDo to kickboxing, and when I started kickboxing, I started getting fucked up. Dudes were beating the shit out of me because I was realizing I can’t keep people at the same distance anymore because I didn’t know how to use my hands properly. I knew how to throw some punches a little bit from TaeKwonDo, but it’s not nearly as sophisticated as boxing or kickboxing. So then, I started kickboxing training and then I started realizing there’s no future in this. What am I doing? I’m just getting my brains beat in, and I’m hard sparring, too.

Joe Rogan: (47:21)
The sparring was rough. It was Boston style, put the gloves on, beat the shit out of each other, figure it out as you go along.

Mike Tyson: (47:28)
Yeah, you ain’t going learn shit. You have to figure it out as you go along.

Joe Rogan: (47:30)
Figure it out as you go along. So, a lot of headaches, but it was hard for me to shut that part of me off, the part of me that just wanted to conquer, the part of me that just wanted to win all the time, to figure out a way to be more intense, more driven, more focused. But, when I did stop fighting, it was a huge relief. The relief part was worth, the extra anxiety that I got, it was worth it just for the relief of not thinking about fighting all the time, not thinking about when’s the next tournament? When’s the next event? When’s the next thing I’m doing. It was just that weight-

Mike Tyson: (48:04)
That’s pretty stressful.

Joe Rogan: (48:06)
Well, for you it had to be way crazier because not only is it the weight, it’s the heavyweight championship of the world.

Mike Tyson: (48:11)
I always wanted to make my mentor happy. That was my goal to make him happy all the time.

Joe Rogan: (48:16)
When he died, was it weird not having a person like that in your life?

Mike Tyson: (48:24)
Aw, man. It was emptiness, and then people who we thought was our friends and that they said they were going to be good to … When he died, they started going in for the kill. They just wanted to grasp me for means.

Joe Rogan: (48:33)
Well, it seemed like you and Kevin Rooney had a good combination at the beginning. When he died, when Cus died-

Mike Tyson: (48:38)
Well, listen. We didn’t know what we were going to do. They were thinking about getting rid of Kevin, and I was think I didn’t want to be with nobody else. I was comfortable with Kevin and the style, and the way we work, and I didn’t want to be with nobody else. I said, “No, let’s just keep Kevin.”

Joe Rogan: (48:52)
Yeah, and Kevin was a great trainer, too.

Mike Tyson: (48:54)
Yeah, for me.

Joe Rogan: (48:54)
Very well respected trainer. It was a good relationship. The way it worked in the beginning, it looked liked, but then, like all things …

Mike Tyson: (49:03)
Kevin used to train me and then fight, and I’d fight on his undercard.

Joe Rogan: (49:07)
Oh, really?

Mike Tyson: (49:08)
Yeah.

Joe Rogan: (49:08)
Wow. Wow. Was he training you before Cus died as well?

Mike Tyson: (49:18)
Well, yeah.

Joe Rogan: (49:19)
How many years before Cus died was he holding mitts for you?

Mike Tyson: (49:23)
Just a couple.

Joe Rogan: (49:24)
But, he knew you well?

Mike Tyson: (49:25)
Yes. He knew the style well.

Joe Rogan: (49:27)
Did he watch fights with you as well, or were you watching those fights by yourself?

Mike Tyson: (49:30)
Every now and then, we’d watch a fight. Once we started training with each other, we started watching fights together.

Joe Rogan: (49:35)
That was the other thing, too. Your style, the way you would come out was so reminiscent of old fighters. When you’d come out with no socks on, black shoes-

Mike Tyson: (49:45)
That was wild. My mind and thinking was all about gladiator and being tough, and I would never think … I look at it now and say, “Look at that silly little kid. Look at that silly kid think he’s tough.” I was thinking, “This guy thinks he’s tough.”

Joe Rogan: (49:58)
Well, you were tough, man. I know what you’re saying. I know what you’re saying, but you were. When you fought Marvis Frazier on what was that? ABC Wild World of Sports-

Mike Tyson: (50:04)
Yeah, remember those days when ABC had fights?

Joe Rogan: (50:07)
I remember watching that fight going, “Holy shit.” That was like being locked in the ring with a tornado.

Mike Tyson: (50:14)
That was wild days. Yeah, that was a tough kid.

Joe Rogan: (50:17)
That was your peak. That was when it was peak scary. You were coming up and everybody was just terrified. It was just a wild thing to watch man. To be a part of it, to be you-

Mike Tyson: (50:27)
Yeah, I wanted to make my mentor real happy, though. That was my main goal in fighting.

Joe Rogan: (50:33)
It’s a powerful goal. Did you ever try to go back and get hypnotized after all that’s over to try to maybe calm down that part of your mind that they turned on?

Mike Tyson: (50:43)
No, I never did. Toad, I think, helped me out.

Joe Rogan: (50:46)
The toad.

Mike Tyson: (50:47)
Yeah, because the other stuff, none of that stuff would help me out.

Joe Rogan: (50:50)
Did weed help you out at all?

Mike Tyson: (50:51)
Pretty much, you know what I mean? But, I had to do it every day. I had to do it all the time. I had to do it all the time then. If I went to another country, and I didn’t have my weed, I’d be insane. I’d say, “What? No weed? I got to be here a couple of days? A week? A month? Get the hell out of here.”

Joe Rogan: (51:07)
Yeah, the rest of the world will catch up eventually. They’ll catch up eventually. It’s slowly happening. We were talking about it before the show started that just a few years ago, if you smoked weed, you felt like you were a criminal.

Mike Tyson: (51:19)
Yeah, you had to hide it all the time, look around. You’d be looking around, “Is that a cop?”

Joe Rogan: (51:22)
It’s still like that in New York. I was in New York recently, and we had to hide weed.

Mike Tyson: (51:26)
That’s crazy.

Joe Rogan: (51:26)
It’s still illegal there. I’m like how is this New York City in 2019?

Mike Tyson: (51:30)
It’s so antiquated, right?

Joe Rogan: (51:31)
It’s so stupid. It just doesn’t make any sense, especially when we’re both high right now.

Mike Tyson: (51:37)
Man, as a kite.

Joe Rogan: (51:38)
It’s fine. Everything’s good. Having a nice conversation.

Mike Tyson: (51:41)
Beautiful. I agree. I totally agree.

Joe Rogan: (51:45)
How many fights did Jim Jacobs have in that library base?

Mike Tyson: (51:49)
I don’t know. Thousands of them, man. I watched thousands … Guys fighting in the 1890’s. I used to watch them all.

Joe Rogan: (51:55)
Wow. Who were standouts for you, outside of the stand … Obviously, Jack Johnson.

Mike Tyson: (52:01)
Yeah, he was awesome, too. He was just amazing. He was ahead of his time fighting. [crosstalk 00:52:06] There was also little guys like Tony Canzoneri and Henry Armstrong, Barney Ross, guys like that. Benny Leonard. Those guys, they evolved boxing to the level where it can evolve to now. They were superstars in their time.

Joe Rogan: (52:18)
Who was that crazy middleweight who went up to fight Jack Johnson and dropped him?

Mike Tyson: (52:21)
Stanley Ketchel. He’s a bad ass.

Joe Rogan: (52:22)
That’s right. That motherfucker could punch.

Mike Tyson: (52:24)
Yeah, he’s a bad ass. Then, he got killed during his prime because he stole this guy’s girlfriend. He was a tough guy like, “What are you going to do about it?” He beat the guy up, he disrespected the guy, and the guy came back and shot him. Stanley Ketchel was a real wild and crazy guy.

Joe Rogan: (52:39)
Well, most of the greats were.

Mike Tyson: (52:41)
Yeah, he was wild. Was fearless, didn’t fear anyone.

Joe Rogan: (52:45)
When you talk about your life and the way you were living, if you go back to most of the greats, like Roberto Duran, he was a wild motherfucker.

Mike Tyson: (52:51)
Out of his mind. He was beautiful, though. It was beautiful. He had rhythm with it.

Joe Rogan: (52:55)
So many of the greats were just wild, wild people.

Mike Tyson: (52:58)
I think it’s that fear that just brings that out of you.

Joe Rogan: (53:01)
Yeah, but then there were some greats that were just real disciplined. Marvin Hagler’s my best example for that. When I was a kid growing up in Boston, Hagler was the middleweight champion of the world, and I used to see … They used to have video of him running. They played it on the news. He was running on the dunes, the sand dunes in Cape Cod in the winter. Freezing cold with a hoodie on, running, screaming, “War. War.”

Mike Tyson: (53:24)
Crazy, right?

Joe Rogan: (53:25)
Oh, it was amazing. Marvin Hagler made you want to just get out of your house and go running in the snow. He was so disciplined. That was the thing that I always got out of watching him. It wasn’t that he was so wild. He was so mentally strong. He had an iron chin, and his discipline was impeccable. He was just constantly training, never out of shape, never got fat, always doing sit-ups and pushups and-

Mike Tyson: (53:49)
He was a ferocious animal, right? His body?

Joe Rogan: (53:52)
Oh, he was chiseled. He was a machine. That fight with Tommy Hearns, that was one of the greatest middleweight encounters of all time.

Mike Tyson: (53:59)
I remember that fight. That was amazing.

Joe Rogan: (54:01)
Chaos. It’s skillful.

Mike Tyson: (54:01)
We didn’t know what was going to happen. We thought they were going to stop the fight. They were going to stop the fight and Tommy Hearns was going to be the winner.

Joe Rogan: (54:06)
As skillful as they were, they decided to just smash. Just get into the center and fucking fight. Tommy Hearns should have tried to use his jab, box in the outside-

Mike Tyson: (54:18)
You’re not going to keep Marvin Hagler off of you.

Joe Rogan: (54:20)
You couldn’t keep Marvin Hagler off of you.

Mike Tyson: (54:20)
You can’t keep him off of you.

Joe Rogan: (54:21)
Marvin Hagler turned into a dog fight.

Mike Tyson: (54:22)
If you don’t try to take him out, it’s almost crazy. You can’t box him like that. Sugar Ray Leonard did that. They weren’t at their prime then, and I wanted to see those two guys in their prime just go at it.

Joe Rogan: (54:32)
Yeah, Sugar Ray Leonard, especially when he fought Hagler, he fought Hagler smart. Stay the fuck away.

Mike Tyson: (54:37)
Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan: (54:38)
I heard the craziest rumor. Tell me if this is the craziest rumor that Marvin Hagler decided to bet on himself for that fight, knew that he was going to lose … They had it set up … and then retired and went to Italy. That’s a ridiculous rumor, right?

Mike Tyson: (54:55)
Hey, I don’t know what anybody did but I never heard anything like that.

Joe Rogan: (54:59)
You never heard that one?

Mike Tyson: (55:00)
No.

Joe Rogan: (55:01)
But, he’s one of the most interesting end of careers ever.

Mike Tyson: (55:05)
I heard a rumor that he didn’t fight the fight that he knew he should have fought.

Joe Rogan: (55:10)
Well, the rumor was he went to Italy because the mob set everything up.

Mike Tyson: (55:13)
Yeah, something to that effect.

Joe Rogan: (55:15)
He went to Italy and became a giant movies star, but he’s the only guy that I can think of in recent memory that literally went out on top. Had this unbelievably close fight with Sugar Ray Leonard, who a lot of people think he could have won that fight, very close decision, and then said, “That’s it. See you. I’m done.” Everybody comes back. Marvin Hagler never came back.

Mike Tyson: (55:34)[crosstalk 00:55:34] hard not to come back. I guess at one time, that’s your whole life. I’m surprised I never came back because that was just my whole life. That was my whole identity. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan: (55:46)
But, when you did retire, and when you retired in the ring, that was the most honest retirement speech I’ve ever heard a boxer give ever. You were just like, “I don’t have this in me anymore.”

Mike Tyson: (55:57)
No, it just wasn’t there anymore. That was pretty bizarre for myself even because this is what I based my life on doing. When I first started doing it, I said I’m going to dedicate my life to this stuff. To see that it’s no longer happening was pretty weird.

Joe Rogan: (56:10)
When did you know that you didn’t want to do it anymore?

Mike Tyson: (56:13)
I’d known years before that, but I was still being very successful.

Joe Rogan: (56:17)
When? What year? Do you remember around when you started thinking it?

Mike Tyson: (56:20)
No, I don’t remember. I don’t remember. Probably around what? The 2000 area.

Joe Rogan: (56:26)
So, that’s post-Holyfield?

Mike Tyson: (56:30)
Yeah, after Holyfield.

Joe Rogan: (56:32)
And, you had just done too much.

Mike Tyson: (56:34)
I was just winning them. Just winning beating guys, guys get hit or something, and some guys would be so scared.

Joe Rogan: (56:42)
What did you have in mind? That’s the hardest thing to swing from that to the next thing. How do you take this crazy, exciting life-

Mike Tyson: (56:51)
I don’t know. I just decided, I said, “Listen, let me just get high for a while and figure this out.”

Joe Rogan: (56:56)
That was the plan?

Mike Tyson: (56:57)
Yeah, let me party for a while and figure this stuff out.

Joe Rogan: (57:02)
What did you figure out?

Mike Tyson: (57:03)
That I wanted to do other things. My wife arranged for me to be this thespian on stage.

Joe Rogan: (57:13)
She created the live show?

Mike Tyson: (57:15)
Yeah, yes.

Joe Rogan: (57:16)
That’s a brilliant idea because you’re also the first fighter that ever did that. Many fighters have great stories, but very few of them have ever … I don’t think anybody besides you has ever put it into a theatrical thing.

Mike Tyson: (57:25)
We went all overseas. Man, it was just amazing. We did it in Monaco, we did it in Rome. We did it in an amount of various places, and I just can’t believe that people want to see that stuff.

Joe Rogan: (57:37)
Well, like I said, the documentary was amazing so people wanted to hear the live version of you talking about it, and to see you live in person.

Mike Tyson: (57:45)
The first time we did it, on Broadway that is, we were really not sure about how it was going to turn out. So, we invited all of our friends. We had tickets and gave them all to our friends and to people we love, and we brought them to the show. So, when we started, they started laughing. Everybody starting laughing, so I ran to my wife … I ran off stage and said, “Baby, what’s going on? Is everything okay?” I didn’t want the show to be a comedy. It turned out to be a comedy, but it was supposed to be a hard, gritty show about a tough guy that made it through his tough … It just came up about me just talking about myself, how much a schmuck I am. You know what I mean? They loved it.

Joe Rogan: (58:23)
Well, I think that was part of it is everybody knew you were this tough guy, but they didn’t know that you could be so self-deprecating and have so much fun with it all. That’s why people loved it because [crosstalk 00:58:35] honesty.

Mike Tyson: (58:36)
They’re doing a writing for my movie. I haven’t seen anything, but it’s going to be pretty wild.

Joe Rogan: (58:41)
Who’s playing you in a movie?

Mike Tyson: (58:43)
I don’t know. Various people, but most likely they want Jaime-

Joe Rogan: (58:48)
Jaime Foxx?

Mike Tyson: (58:49)
Jaime Foxx to do it.

Joe Rogan: (58:49)
He could do it. He could do anything.

Mike Tyson: (58:52)
He could do anything.

Joe Rogan: (58:53)
Anything. That guy could be the fucking president of the United States. He could be a pilot that goes to the moon. He could be whatever the fuck he wants.

Mike Tyson: (58:57)
I hope he does it. I want him to do it.

Joe Rogan: (59:00)
He could do whatever he wants. He’ll probably bulk up like crazy, too, to do it.

Mike Tyson: (59:04)
It’s going to be really wild.

Joe Rogan: (59:06)
Yeah, Jaime could pull it off. Michael Jai White pulled it off.

Mike Tyson: (59:10)
Huh?

Joe Rogan: (59:10)
Michael Jai White.

Mike Tyson: (59:11)
He can’t do it like Jaime, I don’t think.

Joe Rogan: (59:11)
I don’t know.

Mike Tyson: (59:11)
I thought he didn’t do a bad job. A lot of people didn’t like what he did, but I thought he did a good job.

Joe Rogan: (59:18)
I think he did a good job. I loved him in Spawn. He’s a great guy. Do you know him well?

Mike Tyson: (59:21)
No.

Joe Rogan: (59:22)
He’s a great guy. Great guy, very smart guy, very humble guy. Really, really intelligent, and a great martial artist, too. Michael Jai White is a Kyokushin karate black belt. He’s a bad motherfucker.

Mike Tyson: (59:32)
Did he fight in the UFC?

Joe Rogan: (59:35)
No. When he was fighting there was no UFC around, but he did a lot of karate tournaments and stuff. He’s very good. I’ve watched him train before. He’s legit. Very legit. But like I said, a real, real good guy. But yeah, I agree, Jaime Foxx. Jaime Foxx is on another planet. He’s just got this level of competence and skill and artistry in his singing, in his comedy, in his acting. He could do anything. He could play you. Is he going to hang out with you for a while?

Mike Tyson: (01:00:01)
I don’t know what he’s going to do.

Joe Rogan: (01:00:03)
He’s got to. he’s got to hang out with you.

Mike Tyson: (01:00:04)
It’s going to be pretty awesome.

Joe Rogan: (01:00:07)
He’s got to hang out with, got to absorb it, right?

Mike Tyson: (01:00:11)
Yeah, we’ll see how that works out.

Joe Rogan: (01:00:12)
Are you going to be his consultant? Are you going to be like, “Bitch, I would have never said that.”

Mike Tyson: (01:00:16)
I would like to say that, yeah. I would like to be a consultant. But, for some reason, they have their Hollywood ways of doing things. You know what I mean? They make you come out Hollywood-ish, I guess. It’s just really wild how they try to switch it to appear presentable.

Joe Rogan: (01:00:37)
Right. Yeah, they try to change the story.

Mike Tyson: (01:00:40)
And, you know what else I realized, too, from a Hollywood perspective? Some things are real, it’s just still unbelievable.

Joe Rogan: (01:00:46)
Yeah, by itself.

Mike Tyson: (01:00:48)
Yeah, some things are real, they’re just unbelievable.

Joe Rogan: (01:00:50)
Do you know that movie Foxcatcher? Did you know that movie?

Mike Tyson: (01:00:53)
Yeah, the wrestling movie.

Joe Rogan: (01:00:53)
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Mike Tyson: (01:00:54)
I remember that story. I was a young guy. I remember that.

Joe Rogan: (01:00:56)
Yeah, that guy [crosstalk 01:00:59], Mark Schultz … It was Dave Schultz and Mark Schultz. Dave Schultz is the one who got murdered. Mark Schultz is the guy that fought in the UFC. Here’s what’s crazy about that movie. I don’t know how much of that movie’s accurate. I don’t know. I wasn’t there, but what I do know is the one thing that I for sure know happened they changed. When he fought in the UFC, Mark only fought in the UFC once, he fought a guy named Big Daddy Goodrich. Gary “Big Daddy” Goodrich-

Mike Tyson: (01:01:22)
Black guy, right?

Joe Rogan: (01:01:23)
Yeah.

Mike Tyson: (01:01:23)
I know who that is.

Joe Rogan: (01:01:23)
Big black guy, wore a karate ghee and then eventually got rid of the ghee later in his career, but he’s a legend. Big Daddy’s a legend. In the movie, it’s not Big Daddy. In the movie, he’s fighting some white guy. It doesn’t make any sense. They changed who he’s fighting for no … It’s a historical event. It’s like if for whatever reason they decided to not have you fight Trevor Berbick. You fought someone else, like you fought Gerry Cooney for the title or something. It would be-

Mike Tyson: (01:01:47)
Yeah, that would be bizarre.

Joe Rogan: (01:01:48)
Why would you change history?

Mike Tyson: (01:01:50)
I hope they don’t do nothing … I can’t want to do it if they do something like that.

Joe Rogan: (01:01:54)
They did it with the UFC and they did it with Foxcatcher.

Mike Tyson: (01:01:56)[crosstalk 01:01:56] most accurate it can be.

Joe Rogan: (01:01:57)
Right, but it doesn’t make it any better. That’s what’s crazy. It doesn’t make the movie any better to have him fight a Russian guy. It doesn’t make any sense.

Mike Tyson: (01:02:03)
It would have made it better fighting Daddy [crosstalk 01:02:04] because he’s known in the UFC.

Joe Rogan: (01:02:07)
Right, especially for people like me that are in the audience that go, “Oh, look. Look who’s playing Big Daddy.”

Mike Tyson: (01:02:11)
How did he do with Big Daddy? Big Daddy’s tough.

Joe Rogan: (01:02:14)
He took Big Daddy down at will.

Mike Tyson: (01:02:15)
Yeah?

Joe Rogan: (01:02:16)
Yeah, he did whatever he wanted to him. He’s Mark Schultz. He was a motherfucker of a wrestler. I mean, him and his brother were savages. They were savages. They were just made out of steel-

Mike Tyson: (01:02:26)
So, tell me. What was the deal with that guy? How’d they hook up with that guy? What did they think this guy was going to do?

Joe Rogan: (01:02:28)
The guy was really, really rich and there’s no money in amateur wrestling. These guys, a lot of them were really struggling. When they’re trying to make the Olympics team, they’re getting by barely. They barely have enough money for healthy food, and they need sponsors. And, sometimes they get sponsors like a rich guy who owns a business. He loves the Olympics, he loves wrestling. Maybe he wrestled in college, and he’ll take care of them, maybe get them some vitamins, maybe sponsor them. And, they have various people that help them with their training and their food, but this guy came along and said, “Look, I’m going to build a gigantic facility to create the best wrestling program and pay you guys all money to come and train here,” and they couldn’t help it. They were poor. They didn’t know what to do.

Mike Tyson: (01:03:07)
I understand that.

Joe Rogan: (01:03:08)
Yeah, and he was a guy who was like a trust fund guy. He got all his money from his family, and he was just some crazy rich asshole and he would up shooting one of them. That’s what it is. Like you said, the story itself is fucking crazy enough. The actual story. They didn’t have to change anything of it. I know they changed that part of it, so who knows what else in the movie they added or changed or fucked with. They fucked with something they didn’t have to fuck with. They went Hollywood with it in a way that they didn’t have to do, so it makes you question all the other things that happened in the movie.

Mike Tyson: (01:03:41)
That’s pretty bizarre.

Joe Rogan: (01:03:42)
So for you, they can’t do that. Your life was crazy.

Mike Tyson: (01:03:46)
Insane. You know what I was saying to myself, “Do I really want to do this stuff, man? Do I really want to go on the screen with my life and be sincere with these people?” I said, “Do I really need that?” I’ve been thinking about that recently. Do I really need this stuff? This cannabis business is getting ready to pop off and do really well. I’m thinking, “Do I really need this money that bad?”

Joe Rogan: (01:04:07)
It’s not going to hurt you. It’s not going to hurt you. It’s going to help you. Anything helps you at this point. You’re so honest that anything that you’ve done in the past that you’re embarrassed about or shameful of, it’s just better. It’s just better for you. You made mistakes. People can learn from them. These are beneficial, so watching someone like you talk about your life is beneficial for people because you learn how you can overcome these experiences, how bad things can be for you. You learn how bad you can fuck up, and people need to see shit like that. It’s good for civilization. It’s good for our culture. I think so.

Joe Rogan: (01:04:41)
Plus, a guy like you who was, like I said, when I was a kid, you were the fucking man. I mean, you were the fucking man. To have a guy like you be self-deprecating, explaining and laughing about things, it sinks in more. It’s like we were saying about Cus D’Amato, that his wisdom has sunk in. The gravel in his voice and the intensity in his eyes, and the wisdom in his words, it sunk in. I remembered his quotes for years afterwards because he lived so much, because he had so much. That’s the same thing with you, man.

Joe Rogan: (01:05:16)
When you’re talking about your life experiences, people listen. They take it in because they know you lived an extraordinary life, so they better not fuck this movie up.

Mike Tyson: (01:05:26)
Real extreme.

Joe Rogan: (01:05:27)
It’s as extreme as it gets. What’s more extreme other than a solider. Those are the only people that live a more extreme life. First responders, soldiers, firemen, police officers.

Mike Tyson: (01:05:39)
That’s wild.

Joe Rogan: (01:05:39)
Yeah, that’s it. They’re seeing death and violence every day. Other than them, you’ve probably lived the most extreme life ever. Who the fuck can relate to you? Do you ever get together with other world class pro boxers that have-

Mike Tyson: (01:05:52)
No, but the guys I do get together with, the guys you talk about, the veterans and stuff. They be telling me weird stuff.

Joe Rogan: (01:05:58)
Oh, man. Yeah, I talked to SEALS about their time deployed.

Mike Tyson: (01:06:00)
I’m surprised they don’t take themselves out. A lot of those guys, they go on the dark side.

Joe Rogan: (01:06:06)
Well, a lot of those guys are finding some relief in the same things that you found relief. They find relief in DMT and other psychedelics, mushrooms. I think that could be a great benefit to a lot of our veterans.

Mike Tyson: (01:06:17)
I believe that 100%, too. I don’t know why they don’t want to dabble in this stuff.

Joe Rogan: (01:06:22)
What do you think would have happened to you if you got ahold of that stuff while you were in your prime?

Mike Tyson: (01:06:26)
I don’t know. I don’t think maybe I’d want to be a fighter then. Maybe I wouldn’t want to be a fighter.

Joe Rogan: (01:06:33)
Damn. DMT might have derailed it.

Mike Tyson: (01:06:35)
Yeah. I might want to love everybody. It definitely makes you feel that. When you come of it, you say, “I love you.” They love everybody.

Joe Rogan: (01:06:46)
Well, my hope is that with great organizations like MAPS, that one day people will be able to see things … everybody will be able to see things the way you do and that we’ll all have this understanding what these things are. They’re tools that can help us. All these things, including marijuana. It’s a tool to help us.

Mike Tyson: (01:07:05)
I agree.

Joe Rogan: (01:07:06)
You can abuse any tool. You can abuse any tool there is. You can take a hammer and hit yourself in the head if you’re stupid. You can abuse anything, but you can also use it and build yourself a beautiful house. And with cannabis, it makes you a nicer person. It does. I feel more vulnerable. I have more of a sense of community. I’m always hugging people when I’m high. I want to hug everybody.

Mike Tyson: (01:07:28)
I agree. It’s a better feeling.

Joe Rogan: (01:07:33)
It makes you feel kind.

Mike Tyson: (01:07:35)
I agree. I like feeling kind.

Joe Rogan: (01:07:36)
What is it like for you to watch boxing these days?

Mike Tyson: (01:07:41)
It’s just not in my life anymore.

Joe Rogan: (01:07:43)
You don’t watch it at all? Did you watch Tyson Fury/Deontay Wilder?

Mike Tyson: (01:07:46)
No, I didn’t watch it. I didn’t watch it.

Joe Rogan: (01:07:47)[crosstalk 01:07:47] Oh, it was a great fight.

Mike Tyson: (01:07:47)
I was in the air flying when they were fighting.

Joe Rogan: (01:07:49)
Oh, really?

Mike Tyson: (01:07:50)
Yeah.

Joe Rogan: (01:07:50)
You didn’t watch any of the highlights or anything?

Mike Tyson: (01:07:52)
I saw some of the highlights, yes.

Joe Rogan: (01:07:53)
Whew, how crazy is Deontay Wilder’s power?

Mike Tyson: (01:07:56)
Good stuff.

Joe Rogan: (01:07:57)
Crazy, right, because he’s built so strange. He’s 209 pounds-

Mike Tyson: (01:07:59)
How incredible is Tyson’s jaw?

Joe Rogan: (01:08:03)
Incredible, incredible. And, gets up and wins the rest of the round. That’s what’s really incredible. It was an amazing, amazing fight.

Mike Tyson: (01:08:09)
Good stuff.

Joe Rogan: (01:08:10)
So, you don’t follow any of it today?

Mike Tyson: (01:08:14)
No. That part of my life, I got mixed feelings with that part of my life. There’s a lot of stuff about that I don’t like about myself. I try to forget that stuff because I’m on a whole different pattern.

Joe Rogan: (01:08:30)
Vibe, yeah. So, even watching other people box-

Mike Tyson: (01:08:35)
I don’t even watch nothing. I try to stay away as much as possible.

Joe Rogan: (01:08:38)
Watching other people box makes you think about yourself when you were fighting? Reminds you of it?

Mike Tyson: (01:08:42)
Kind of, yeah. I always say, “These guys are so much nicer than I was.” These are cool guys.

Joe Rogan: (01:08:50)
Yeah, right. There’s no one out there today that’s got that mean, vicious persona anymore.

Mike Tyson: (01:08:58)
Yeah, these are nice guys.

Joe Rogan: (01:08:58)
When you were in the ring doing a post-fight interview saying you wanted to eat your children, you want to eat someone’s children, I remember saying, “This is the craziest fucking post-fight interview.” It was about Lennox Lewis, right?

Mike Tyson: (01:09:09)
Yeah, it’s a madman. What’s wrong with me?

Joe Rogan: (01:09:12)
Alexander the Great.

Mike Tyson: (01:09:12)
I’m just a madman.

Joe Rogan: (01:09:13)
It was amazing. It was amazing. For the story, for the time, look, what it was was when we saw Rocky III and Mr. T was challenging Rocky, and he would say all that crazy shit about what he was going to do, “My prediction? Pain.”

Mike Tyson: (01:09:30)
Pain. That was beautiful, right?

Joe Rogan: (01:09:31)
It was beautiful. What you did is you took that and just cranked it up to 11 and threw gasoline on it and lit it on fire. You just took that kind of ferocious shit talking-

Mike Tyson: (01:09:40)
Yeah, I look at some of those press conferences from a long time ago, and what I’m saying is that I would never talk to anybody like that. It’s just such a different world now. My world is so different now.

Joe Rogan: (01:09:48)
Do you feel when you watch that stuff that you feel almost trapped by that past? That you have to acknowledge it and you don’t want to even acknowledge it anymore?

Mike Tyson: (01:09:57)
Yeah. I’m almost a little bit like I don’t want to be involved, I wished that never happened.

Joe Rogan: (01:10:00)
But, had to happen for you to be who you are now.

Mike Tyson: (01:10:06)
This is the real reason, right, Joe? People love that guy. People love that. I didn’t like that guy that much, so I’m conflicting with people that like that guy and me living my life that I am living now.

Joe Rogan: (01:10:18)
Yeah. Well, people loved that guy because that guy gave them a drug, and that drug was excitement. You’d turn on the TV like, “Oh, shit. Here we go. Michael Spinks, Mike Tyson. Here we go.” And, boom. That’s what people wanted. They wanted that excitement. They knew some crazy shit was about to go down, unpredictable. No one knows what’s going to happen at a fight. Is it going to be a right or a left? Is he going to move right? Is he going to move left? How’s it going to work out? You don’t know. How long can Spinks last? You don’t know. Everybody was excited, and that’s what you brought people. You brought people this chaotic moment. You slapped down the money in the pay-per-view. You got out your popcorn and you waited for the rush, the rush of excitement.

Mike Tyson: (01:10:56)
Those were crazy days.

Joe Rogan: (01:10:58)
Crazy days.

Mike Tyson: (01:11:01)
Crazy.

Joe Rogan: (01:11:01)
I hate to keep bringing your head back to that, but just for me as a kid growing up during that time, it was a big part of my becoming an adult. It was during your era, your era of dominance.

Mike Tyson: (01:11:15)
I always look at my kids and I think, “Wow, these guys are pretty much middle class kids.” They live their lives, they do what they want. They go to college. I would never want to put that pressure on my son that you have to be the total best, you have to dominate everybody, you got to be the best that ever lived. When you put that kind of pressure on them, that’s incredible. I would never do that to them.

Joe Rogan: (01:11:36)
Yeah, it would never work probably. I don’t think a kid that grows up in a loving household with supportive parents-

Mike Tyson: (01:11:42)
Yeah, boxing’s for when you have nothing. When you do boxing is when you just had nothing, because that’s a lot of dedication, that’s a lot of pain, that’s a lot of aggravation. It really is discovering who you are.

Joe Rogan: (01:11:57)
But, you must be able to take pride in the fact that your children don’t ever have to do that?

Mike Tyson: (01:12:00)
Oh, that’s why I took the punches so they wouldn’t have to do that. I have this son that’s 16. He wanted to be a boxer.

Joe Rogan: (01:12:08)
I saw you working with him.

Mike Tyson: (01:12:09)
Yeah, I was like, “Get out of here. Get out of here. You’re stupid. You go to private school. You want to be boxer? You travel. You go on European trips. You do trips and vacations, and you want to be a fighter? Get out of here. You’re a joke, man.” He’s really serious. I’m like, “Are you serious, man? What are you going to do? Fight some guy like me? Some animal?” I don’t want my kids to go through that crap. That’s degrading, some guy like that beating on you.

Joe Rogan: (01:12:43)
Yeah. That’s the thing is the fuel that you had, the burning inferno inside you, you can’t replicate that.

Mike Tyson: (01:12:51)
They don’t understand that. They don’t know. Shame inspires a lot of success. They don’t have to deal with that kind of shame.

Joe Rogan: (01:13:01)
Right, right. Shame, pain.

Mike Tyson: (01:13:04)
Exactly.

Joe Rogan: (01:13:05)
Feeling of being left out, feeling of not belonging.

Mike Tyson: (01:13:08)
If I do this, everybody’s going to love me. Crazy feeling. You want to be accepted so badly. Imagine that. You just want to be accepted. People to look at you in awe. What kind of mindset is that? That’s the ego. You want people to just look at you. You’re a sick fuck. You’re a sick fuck. Want people to look at me. Aw, man.

Joe Rogan: (01:13:34)
Yeah, but it’s beautiful that you can describe it that way now. You’ve stepped outside of it long enough you recognize what it was when it was overcoming-

Mike Tyson: (01:13:40)
I was sick. I used to read stories of Alexander the Great, how this guy was a god. I said, “Wow. I want to be like that.” This is crazy. It’s crazy how you can inspire to believe that you’re more than what you are.

Joe Rogan: (01:13:53)
Well, it was also those feelings of conquering were you giving you the first success and good feelings of your life, and the fact that they programmed you. I mean, that’s something that I don’t think a lot of people are aware of, the hypnotism. The hypnotism and putting those thoughts into your mind, which were hugely beneficial. You could tap into that mind zone right before you competed. They gave you a clear path. They gave you a clear path to use your fury with this very analytical approach with perfect boxing technique and an amazing mentor with an incredible amount of knowledge and they just let you loose.

Mike Tyson: (01:14:28)
You have to be enthusiastic. You have to be enthusiastic.

Joe Rogan: (01:14:32)
Yeah, bad intentions.

Mike Tyson: (01:14:34)
Yeah, bad intentions and having enthusiasm when you’re fighting. You love every minute of it.

Joe Rogan: (01:14:38)
Look at you. You’re getting fired up again.

Mike Tyson: (01:14:41)
Yeah, it’s crazy.

Joe Rogan: (01:14:41)
Do you work out anymore?

Mike Tyson: (01:14:45)
Nah, man. I keep away from that stuff, man. All that stuff-

Joe Rogan: (01:14:47)
You don’t even spin class or anything?

Mike Tyson: (01:14:48)
No, all that stuff reactivates my ego.

Joe Rogan: (01:14:54)
Oh, really?

Mike Tyson: (01:14:54)
Yeah.

Joe Rogan: (01:14:55)
Oh, wow.

Mike Tyson: (01:14:58)[inaudible 01:14:58] reactivate it.

Joe Rogan: (01:14:59)
That’s the thing about extreme winners. Extreme winners, that ego is hard to snuff out.

Mike Tyson: (01:15:05)
Yeah, if I activate my ego, I’m going to lose in life. I’m going to lose. I’m going to lose this cannabis, I’m going to lose everything.

Joe Rogan: (01:15:11)
What if you go jogging? Can you go jogging?

Mike Tyson: (01:15:13)
No, I don’t do it. I do my treadmill work.

Joe Rogan: (01:15:16)
Okay, treadmill. That’s it.

Mike Tyson: (01:15:18)
But, if I start to think that I’m special, if I get a glimmer of that thing that says, “Hey, whoa. Look at you. You’re better than them.”

Joe Rogan: (01:15:25)
I saw a video of you hitting the bag recently. It was a couple years ago.

Mike Tyson: (01:15:28)
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Joe Rogan: (01:15:29)
Do you still hit the bag?

Mike Tyson: (01:15:30)
Not anymore.

Joe Rogan: (01:15:31)
Do you still throw some bombs?

Mike Tyson: (01:15:32)
I do probably for the camera and stuff.

Joe Rogan: (01:15:33)
Yeah, that’s what you were doing but I’m like damn, you can still move. You still have it in you, right?

Mike Tyson: (01:15:37)
I don’t know. I don’t know.

Joe Rogan: (01:15:38)
It’s in your body.

Mike Tyson: (01:15:41)
I don’t want nothing to do with that stuff.

Joe Rogan: (01:15:42)
But, does it feel weird? What I was going to get to, if you are standing in front of that heavy bag and you start rattling off combinations and you start thinking, “Oh, shit. I’m actually Mike Tyson. I was that guy. I am that guy who went through that. I am the youngest heavyweight champion of all time. I am that guy that destroyed Tyrell Biggs. I am that guy that knocked out Larry Holmes. I’m that guy.” It’s got to feel weird.

Mike Tyson: (01:16:06)
I look at that guy as somebody whose given me a platform to help me forget about that guy.

Joe Rogan: (01:16:12)
Wow. It’s beautiful that you have that mindset. It is, because most people who’ve accomplished as much as you have, they don’t want to ever let the past go.

Mike Tyson: (01:16:24)
Oh, shit. Let that go. Let it go, let it go. Let it go.

Joe Rogan: (01:16:28)
Do you recognize that? That that’s a beautiful part of your personality? You had one of the most successful boxing careers ever, but you don’t want nothing to do with it. You don’t even want to acknowledge it exists. You wish it went away.

Mike Tyson: (01:16:40)
In order to arrive to that next chapter in life, you have to forget the chapter that came before you and focus on the chapter ahead of you.

Joe Rogan: (01:16:50)
Yes, yes. That’s a great lesson, and coming from you, that lesson, I think, is going to hit home with a lot of people.

Mike Tyson: (01:16:57)
You think so?

Joe Rogan: (01:16:57)
Yes, 100%. 100%, because you accomplished so much, because you were the youngest heavyweight champion of all time, because you’re the baddest man on the planet, this big hero for a lot of people like me when I was growing up. To see you now say, “That’s then. I’m done. I don’t nothing. I don’t watch it, I don’t workout. I’m not even a part of that anymore. I’m concentrating on my life right now and I’m happy and I love people.”-

Mike Tyson: (01:17:19)
You know, Joe, that’s really great but why don’t you think about this? Listen, being that person, that guy, that sent me to the psych ward a couple of times, that sent me to so many other places, to prison. It sent me places. That guy is a trip. That guy’s a trip.

Joe Rogan: (01:17:32)
That guy had you in underwear holding a tiger on a chain.

Mike Tyson: (01:17:35)
Yeah, that guy’s a trip, man.

Joe Rogan: (01:17:37)
What did you go to the psych ward for?

Mike Tyson: (01:17:39)
Being crazy, violent. Probably thought about hurting myself or something crazy like that.

Joe Rogan: (01:17:45)
What do they do when they take you in the psych ward? How do they treat you?

Mike Tyson: (01:17:48)
I don’t know. The same way everybody treats me, “This is Mike.”

Joe Rogan: (01:17:52)
No, but I mean how do they take care of you? What do they do for you? How do they take Mike Tyson and calm him down?

Mike Tyson: (01:17:57)
Nothing, they just give me some fucking pills, some Thorazine or something.

Joe Rogan: (01:18:00)
That’s it?

Mike Tyson: (01:18:00)
They just zone you out. You’re like a zombie, you’re in your zombie swagger then.

Joe Rogan: (01:18:04)
Yeah, that is what they do, huh? Just calm you down medically, pharmaceutically.

Mike Tyson: (01:18:11)
It’s a zombie. You’re like a zombie looking at television. You don’t know what’s going on. Well, you know what’s going on but you can’t react to it.

Joe Rogan: (01:18:17)
Jesus. Then once they got you calmed down enough, they go, “All right, you can go?”

Mike Tyson: (01:18:21)
I don’t know. I don’t think I ever get calmed down enough. They’d think it was time for me to go and I had to go.

Joe Rogan: (01:18:28)
What is a day in the life of Mike Tyson like now? What is a typical day for you?

Mike Tyson: (01:18:32)
I get up in the morning, I go to my office, my cannabis office. We do deals and we get investments. I come home at 5:00, and I go see my kids. Unless I stay at the office later, and I come home and I hang out with my wife and my kids. It’s a really bizarre life. We stay in Newport Beach now-

Joe Rogan: (01:18:51)
Oh, that’s nice.

Mike Tyson: (01:18:52)
It’s very nice.

Joe Rogan: (01:18:53)
Upscale.

Mike Tyson: (01:18:54)
It’s very upscale, but it’s very quiet, too. Not like Las Vegas at all.

Joe Rogan: (01:18:58)
No?

Mike Tyson: (01:19:00)
My daughter plays tennis up there, so we’re pretty much situated up there. I said, “Baby, can’t we move to Hollywood?” She said, “No, we can’t go to Beverly Hills. No, because of tennis.” All of her tennis requirements are here in Newport Beach, so we stay here.

Joe Rogan: (01:19:11)
Newport’s nice, though. It’s a good place. It’s near the ocean, it’s got clean air.

Mike Tyson: (01:19:16)
Yeah, we see the ocean. It’s just different for me.

Joe Rogan: (01:19:19)
I bet.

Mike Tyson: (01:19:19)
It’s different.

Joe Rogan: (01:19:20)
Did you like living in Vegas, though? Because the fights were there all the time.

Mike Tyson: (01:19:23)
I love Vegas. It was always crazy. The fights did bring great parties, though. You could always go to some great parties. That was always great.

Joe Rogan: (01:19:30)
So, you’ve settled into this business life it seems like pretty easily? You seem to be enjoying yourself.

Mike Tyson: (01:19:36)
Hey, it’s something that I want to do and it’s a fresh start. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan: (01:19:42)
Yeah.

Mike Tyson: (01:19:43)
Since doing the toad, my main objective in everything I’ve been embarking on and being involving myself with has all been because of a fresh start. I feel fresh. I feel new. I feel that nothing can stop me, nothing can be in my way and it’s just an awesome feeling.

Joe Rogan: (01:19:58)
So, this is from doing that one DMT experience just sent you … It’s almost like you’re a different person.

Mike Tyson: (01:20:03)
Well, I did it one time, but I did it many times that day.

Joe Rogan: (01:20:06)
Right, right.

Mike Tyson: (01:20:08)
I don’t know what it is, I’m trying to figure it out, but I’ve changed but I just don’t know how.

Joe Rogan: (01:20:15)
Yeah. I describe it for a lot of people, it’s like resetting a computer. When you reset a computer, you got a fresh new desktop and there’s only one folder on the desktop, and that folder says, “My Old Bullshit.”

Mike Tyson: (01:20:28)
Listen, stop. I’m saying to myself right now, sometimes I wonder this new feeling that I’m possessing right now, is it a real feeling? Does this stuff really help? Or, am I lying to myself again til the next moment, til the next feeling comes to do some drugs or to be with somebody else? What’s really going on? Is that feeling going to come back? But, at this moment that feeling feels like it’s never coming back.

Joe Rogan: (01:20:48)
It can never come back if you decide that it’s never coming back, but you have to make that decision pretty much every day, but you can never come back if you want. Or, you could slip into the old ways. That’s what a lot of people do. When a lot of people fall into drug addictions, relapsing, when they relapse, they’re not physically addicted when they relapsed. Obviously, they’re clean and then they decide to go back in. It’s because there’s comfort in those old patterns because this new way of life, they get anxiety. They feel like it’s a lot of pressure to stay clean-

Mike Tyson: (01:21:18)
That explains it. I hate that. I always hated that old way. I never wanted to do drugs, but then I’d do them again. I never wanted, “I hate it. No, no, no.” What the … No, come on. You understand what I’m saying? “No, I don’t want … Fuck. I don’t want that.” [crosstalk 01:21:36] And then once you do that, then you’re going all out now. You got the liquor there, the girls … Aw, man. This is just a dark, dark, vicious cycle. It’s real dark.

Joe Rogan: (01:21:45)
Yeah, it’s self-destructive.

Mike Tyson: (01:21:46)
It’s all about ego-inflating and self-deprecating and self-destruction.

Joe Rogan: (01:21:52)
It also alleviates you from the responsibility of improving.

Mike Tyson: (01:21:57)
100%.

Joe Rogan: (01:21:58)
That pressure of keeping it together, staying sober, being disciplined, all that stuff, once it’s gone, it’s gone like, “Ah, I’m just fucking crazy. I’m crazy. This is just what I do. I’m crazy.” And, it’s easy to fall into that trap and that’s what happens to a lot of people who relapse with drugs.

Mike Tyson: (01:22:13)
I never want to go back to that again. That’s just a no-win situation.

Joe Rogan: (01:22:19)
That’s one of the great things about marijuana that people don’t understand. They think that a drug is a drug is a drug. They’re all falling under the same category, but you can use marijuana and just be peaceful and not chaotic, and the opposite. It’ll make you think more about the consequences of ruining your life.

Mike Tyson: (01:22:38)
Can I say something ridiculous? I fought in Detroit, Michigan one time. I fought Andrew Golata. I got tested and I tested for marijuana. They charged me $300,000.

Joe Rogan: (01:22:56)
Jesus Christ.

Mike Tyson: (01:22:57)
They fined me $300,000.

Joe Rogan: (01:23:00)
That’s a lot of money. Where’d that money go? Who took it?

Mike Tyson: (01:23:03)
The commission.

Joe Rogan: (01:23:04)
They broke it up. They chopped it up and went and did coke with it. That’s what they did. That’s crazy. $300,000 for some weed in your system. Now, you’re selling it. Legally.

Mike Tyson: (01:23:18)
Yeah, this is just a bizarre situation. I’m just going with this bizarre world and see what happens.

Joe Rogan: (01:23:24)
It’s beautiful, man.

Mike Tyson: (01:23:25)
I never thought you could do this, sell marijuana. I never thought I’d be in that business.

Joe Rogan: (01:23:28)
I know.

Mike Tyson: (01:23:28)
At this stage in my life, it came at the right particular time.

Joe Rogan: (01:23:32)
I saw it online. I saw Tyson Ranch online. I saw something on Instagram or something and I was like, “That makes sense.” Why not, man? In this day and … Look, everybody loves you. Why not? Why not go into business?

Mike Tyson: (01:23:44)
I never dreamt it, but it’s just a no-brainer.

Joe Rogan: (01:23:46)
People are going to want to buy your weed just because they love you.

Mike Tyson: (01:23:49)
I want to distribute all over the world, too.

Joe Rogan: (01:23:52)
That’s where it gets sketchy. There’s some spots in Asia you don’t want to bring weed to.

Mike Tyson: (01:23:56)
No?

Joe Rogan: (01:23:57)
Singapore, you can get killed.

Mike Tyson: (01:23:59)
Oh, I know about that stuff but there’s some parts of the world that they accept it. I went to Europe to buy weed before, and they were selling the plants. They weren’t selling the bud. They were selling the plant. You had to buy the plant and wait for the plant to develop and make buds and all that stuff. Selling the plant. I said, “What’s that purpose?”

Joe Rogan: (01:24:17)
They wanted you to grow your own.

Mike Tyson: (01:24:18)
Yeah.

Joe Rogan: (01:24:18)
That was the only way. So, you’re working with a bunch of different growers. Explain how you guys are setting it up?

Mike Tyson: (01:24:25)
The whole thing, we’re working with other growers, but my main objective is to be distributed to all over the country.

Joe Rogan: (01:24:30)
And, also the Ranch where you’re going to have a destination, or it’s a resort.

Mike Tyson: (01:24:37)
That’s going to be our resort there, and that’s where people can come. It’s going to be like what’s that big concert thing? We’re going to have our own concerts there. [Chinchella 01:24:45]? I forgot the name of it.

Joe Rogan: (01:24:46)
Coachella.

Mike Tyson: (01:24:46)
Coachella, yeah.

Joe Rogan: (01:24:46)
Chinchella.

Mike Tyson: (01:24:48)
Coachella. It’s going to be something to that effect.

Joe Rogan: (01:24:52)
Oh, that’s awesome. So, you’re going to do shows down there, too?

Mike Tyson: (01:24:55)
Absolutely, yeah. We’re going to do Miguel. Miguel’s going to be our first show.

Joe Rogan: (01:24:58)
When?

Mike Tyson: (01:24:59)
Miguel’s going to be our first show in February.

Joe Rogan: (01:25:01)
Oh, wow. That’s amazing. That’s beautiful. But listen, man, I’m very happy for you. I’m happy to see this. I’m happy to see this transition in you. I’m happy to hear about your experiences, and good luck, man. Best of luck.

Mike Tyson: (01:25:16)
You need to come by because I’m going to be presenting at the Podcast Awards at iHeart.

Joe Rogan: (01:25:21)
Oh, yeah. That’s coming up soon, isn’t it?

Mike Tyson: (01:25:24)
Yeah, are you going to be there?

Joe Rogan: (01:25:24)
No, I’m not going to be there. When is that?

Mike Tyson: (01:25:27)
Beats the hell out of me. They’ll tell me.

Joe Rogan: (01:25:31)
Yeah. Do you know when that is, Jeremy? Somebody sent it to me. I’m busy that night, unfortunately. So, you have a podcast, too. Tell people about that.

Mike Tyson: (01:25:39)
Yeah, it’s called Hotboxin.

Joe Rogan: (01:25:40)
Hotboxin. Get it?

Mike Tyson: (01:25:44)
Yeah, big time.

Joe Rogan: (01:25:45)
Hotbox, weed, get it? Boxing.

Mike Tyson: (01:25:47)
Yeah, exactly. We smoke on our show and we’re having a good time.

Joe Rogan: (01:25:52)
Yeah, and you had Dale Earnhardt, Jr on?

Mike Tyson: (01:25:54)
Yeah, he’s an awesome guy.

Joe Rogan: (01:25:56)
He’s a great guy.

Mike Tyson: (01:25:56)
Yeah, he’s awesome.

Joe Rogan: (01:25:57)
Did you get high with him?

Mike Tyson: (01:25:58)
No, no. I don’t believe I did. No, I don’t think he smokes.

Joe Rogan: (01:26:01)
No, I don’t think he does either.

Mike Tyson: (01:26:02)
He’s such a clean cut guy.

Joe Rogan: (01:26:04)
He’s a super nice guy. Almost too nice like, “Are you real?”

Mike Tyson: (01:26:07)
His father was a tough guy.

Joe Rogan: (01:26:09)
Yeah, his father was a savage. So, tell people Tyson Ranch, tell people how they can find more information.

Mike Tyson: (01:26:18)
I think you have to look up Tyson Ranch.

Joe Rogan: (01:26:19)
Is it TysonRanch.com?

Mike Tyson: (01:26:23)
Yep.

Joe Rogan: (01:26:23)
Okay, TysonRanch.com. And, you don’t fuck with any social media, huh? You don’t mess with that?

Mike Tyson: (01:26:28)
I have people do that but they tell me to take a picture with this guy so you can get some likes. It’s so immature. I feel like I’m in third grade or something getting friends, trying to make friends. I feel like a schmuck, man.

Joe Rogan: (01:26:40)
It is ridiculous.

Mike Tyson: (01:26:41)
Right? I feel like a schmuck.

Joe Rogan: (01:26:42)
That’s it. Tyson Ranch Official on Instagram.

Mike Tyson: (01:26:46)
Look, there’s me. I’m on the book, Dope Magazine cover.

Joe Rogan: (01:26:47)
There you go. Damn. Well listen, brother. Thank you very much for being here, man. I really appreciate it.

Mike Tyson: (01:26:53)
Oh, it was a pleasure being here.

Joe Rogan: (01:26:53)
And, best of luck.

Mike Tyson: (01:26:53)
I wanted to come to the show so much earlier, but just couldn’t make it happen.

Joe Rogan: (01:26:57)
We’ll do it again. We’ll do it again. And, let me know when everything opens up. We’ll be happy to promote it for you, let everybody know and anytime you’ve got something coming on and you want people to know about it, let me know.

Mike Tyson: (01:27:05)
Thank you very much.

Joe Rogan: (01:27:06)
Thank you, man.

Mike Tyson: (01:27:07)
Take care.

Joe Rogan: (01:27:07)
Appreciate it, brother. Thank you very much. Mike Tyson, motherfuckers.

Mike Tyson: (01:27:10)
All day.

Joe Rogan: (01:27:11)
Woo.

Mike Tyson: (01:27:12)
That was cool.

Joe Rogan: (01:27:14)
That was awesome.